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[snoloco]

How many parts on a lift need to be replaced for the lift to be considered new, and not just a modification of an existing one. For Example, the CTEC Carpenter Express at Deer Valley is considered a new lift and replaced the Yan Carpenter Express. However, the towers and towerheads were reused.

The Superstar Express at Killington had it's grips, sheaves, and chairs replaced, and the terminals were modified to use Poma TB41 grips and they look like Challenger terminals. This lift is considered to be a Poma modification of a Yan lift, while the Deer Valley lift was considered to be completely new.

When comparing both cases, the only thing that was done to the Deer Valley lift was that instead of modifying the terminals, they just replaced them entirely. Is there any real cutoff when a lift is considered new, vs a modified version of the original?

[Lift Dinosaur]

If you don't start from the ground up, it's not NEW. If you remove and old fixed grip and reuse the foundations....it's a modification. If you buy and old Hall / Riblet and install it at your area, it's a relocation or a re-installation. "New to your area" does not mean a " new lift".
Dino

[snoloco]

So the Deer Valley lift should be considered a modification, not a new lift since they reused the towers? If they only reused the footings which gets done sometimes would that be considered new or modification? This was done when Hunter Mountain replaced the Snowlite Express HSQ with the Kaatskill Flyer HSS. The tower tubes are new. When the Snowlite Express was moved to the back side of the mountain and reinstalled, they used completely new footings. I know that this was a relocation, but if the lift was new, would it be the only scenario when the lift is considered "new" vs. modified?

[DonaldMReif]

Under that same logic, shouldn't the Super Gauge Express also be a modification, not a new lift, since it reused some of the Summit Express's tower tubes? I guess technically it counts as new if you consider it is a six pack while the original Mary Jane detachable was a quad.

Then I wonder what sort of logic will be used when the Colorado SuperChair is built, since the old quad's towers aren't yet down. Will it be considered a modification if any tower footings get reused (which seems very likely to happen) or all-new? It contrasts to the Kensho SuperChair, which was built on a lift line where no lifts previously existed, it counts as "all-new" no questions asked.

[SkiDaBird]

Is there an actual definition or is it arbitrary? Reusing towers still definitely counts as new, Gadzoom is not the same thing as the 1971/1980 Gad I.

[Lift Dinosaur]

Good points. Let's add a category- replacement lift.