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[snoloco]

Here in the East, some mountain seem to favor one manufacturer over others. It seems like Poma has mostly dominated in the East as most mountains seem to have gone with Poma. There are no Doppelmayr mountains to the extent that there are Poma mountains in the East. I don't know as much about the west since I have not skied there, but how does it differ out there?

Hunter, NY is all Poma except for the E-Lift which is a Hall. Not only are all their current lifts Poma, but all the removed lifts were too.

Windham, NY has only 1 lift without any Doppelmayr or CTEC parts. It is the F-Lift triple which is a Hall with a Von Roll drive and return. The rest are either pure Doppelmayr, CTEC, or Doppelmayr CTEC lifts, or have some parts from them.

Okemo, VT is all Poma except for the Green Ridge triple which is Doppelmayr. Every single lift that they installed after the mid 80's has been Poma.

The Mount Ellen side of Sugarbush is mostly Poma, if not, 100% Poma.

Mount Snow, VT used to be and still is mostly Yan, but all their lifts built in or after 1996 are Poma. The Sunbrook Quad (CTEC) and Seasons Double (Hall) are the only 2 fixed grips with no Yan parts.

Killington, VT now has only 2 lifts with no Poma parts. They are the Sunrise Village Triple (Yan) and the Snowdon Triple (Heron).

[Peter]

Utah has only 4 Poma lifts out of 133. Doppelmayr also dominates in the Northwest, especially in Montana, Washington and Idaho.

[snoloco]

I know 3 of the Poma lifts in Utah. They are the Red Pine Gondola at The Canyons, Beaver's Face Double at Beaver Mountain, and the Sunrise Platter at Powder Mountain. There used to be the Tombstone Express at The Canyons, but it has been replaced with a Doppelmayr 6-pack and was moved to Steamboat.

[DonaldMReif]

Keystone is all Doppelmayr with the exception of the Ruby Express (Poma high speed six pack), Argentine, Checkerboard/Discovery and A-51 (Lift Engineering double chairlifts; the latter two with Riblet bail chairs).

Across from Keystone, Breckenridge is almost entirely Poma (all ten superchairs, plus Zendo quad and Snowflake double), but has six Riblets (five double and one triple chairlift) and one Doppelmayr (the T-Bar). Every lift built at Breckenridge since the Falcon SuperChair in 1985 and Colorado SuperChair in 1986 has been a Poma or Leitner-Poma.

Almost everything at Telluride is Garaventa CTEC or Doppelmayr, except for Revelation, which is a Leitner-Poma.

Sunlight is an all-Riblet mountain.

Aspen Highlands and Buttermilk are all-Poma mountains.

[SkiDaBird]

snoloco, on 27 May 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

I know 3 of the Poma lifts in Utah. They are the Red Pine Gondola at The Canyons, Beaver's Face Double at Beaver Mountain, and the Sunrise Platter at Powder Mountain. There used to be the Tombstone Express at The Canyons, but it has been replaced with a Doppelmayr 6-pack and was moved to Steamboat.

Eagle Point has the last. I can't remember the name. Utah has been the manufacturing place for CTEC and now Dopp so it does make sense that they have been dominant here.

[SkiDaBird]

I'm assuming that most places have a manufacturer that will consistently offer the lowest price, hence why the don't switch.

[Backbowlsbilly]

Beaver Creek and Snowbird are exclusively Doppelmayr, with the exceptions of Highlands, Bachelor Gulch Express, Strawberry Park Express, Grouse Mountain Express and Cinch Express and the Aerial Tram, Mineral Basin Express, Chickadee, Baldy Express and Gadzoom at Snowbird. Snowmass is exclusively Poma/Leitner Poma with the exception of the Riblet High Alpine Lift and Burlingame Lift.

This post has been edited by Backbowlsbilly: 27 May 2014 - 06:19 PM

[machskier]

For the most part, Loon in NH is totally Doppelmyer (assuming the CTEC merge). I'm pretty sure East Basin was not original Doppelmyer but it went thru a return that I believe Dopp did.

[snowmaster]

That's correct, East Basin in a Hall with CTEC chairs and a Doppelmayr quadruped drive.

[SkiLiftDude]

snoloco, on 27 May 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Mount Snow, VT used to be and still is mostly Yan, but all their lifts built in or after 1996 are Poma. The Sunbrook Quad (CTEC) and Seasons Double (Hall) are the only 2 fixed grips with no Yan parts.

Ski Baba Double is a Borvig.

[snoloco]

Oops, I forgot. It is also the only lift in Vermont without safety bars.

[alexboesen]

"High Alpine's going to become a Leitner-Poma high speed quad next year, so Burlingame is Snowmass's only Riblet."

Why are people so sure that Snowmass is going to replace High Alpine this summer? Is there a link somewhere that says this?

[boardski]

I have not found any confirmation of this (replacement of High Alpine) either. Nice thought except that "Reidars" and/or "Showcase" will likely get groomed if they go with a HSQ.

This post has been edited by boardski: 31 May 2014 - 05:26 AM

[SuperRat]

machskier, on 28 May 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

For the most part, Loon in NH is totally Doppelmyer (assuming the CTEC merge). I'm pretty sure East Basin was not original Doppelmyer but it went thru a return that I believe Dopp did.

East Basin has the original Hall return terminal and towers from 1968, a Doppelmayr drive built in 1982 and CTEC chairs from the mid 80's.

Loon Aerial Lifts: 10

Doppelmayr: 6

CTEC: 1

Hall: 1

Doppelmayr/Hall: 1

CTEC/Hall: 1

This post has been edited by SuperRat: 05 June 2014 - 06:48 AM

[Bogong]

Slightly further away... most resorts in Australia and New Zealand have a mixture of lifts from different manufacturers. but Mt Buller is an exception.

They had the worlds first Dopp double chair back in 1964 and two of the earliest Detachable Dopp quads in 1984. There used to be two lift companies, but after Blue Lifts took over Orange Lifts (which had favoured Poma products), every new lift has been a Dopp.

So out of about 21 lifts at the moment (excluding carpets) every one is a Dopp except for a couple of old lifts: a 1984 Poma quad chair and a 1969 T-bar made by McCallum (a former Australian manufacturer).

List of all 63 lifts to have operated at Mt Buller since 1949. http://wikiski.com/w...ctory#Mt_Buller

[Phalanger]

That not only Buller, it is the same in the northern resorts are almost all Doppelmayr. That's because Doppelmayr actually exists in Australia as opposed to other brands which can have some support issues. Hothams and Falls Creek are the exceptions generally choosing on straight up price resulting in mixed brands.

[Razvan]

Australians also exists in Austria, here's the proof
(basement of Doppelmayr guest house in Wolfurt, photo taken April 26, 2008)

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[mrskifriend]

In Oregon, it can vary. Some ski resorts don't replace their lifts, so you will see Riblet only ski resorts. Then, there is Timberline and Willamette Pass with Doppelmayr. (Well, Willamette Pass wanted a lift Riblet did not create, and Riblet was already gone by then. So I consider Willamette Pass a Doppelmayr resort since that is the manufacturer they use now.) Then there is Mt. Hood Meadows with Poma/Leitner-Poma lifts after the Riblet era passed. I think ski resorts just choose what brand offers them the lowest prices for lift and replacement parts.

[DonaldMReif]

With the removal of Burlingame, Snowmass is an all-Poma mountain save for the High Alpine lift.

[snoloco]

Mountain Creek seems to have wanted to go with Partek for most of their installations, but since they didn't make detachables, they went with Doppelmayr for those. Their only Doppelmayr fixed grip is the Granite Peak Quad which has the ability to be converted to detachable just by replacing the terminals and grips. In the Vernon Valley Great Gorge days, everything was Borvig. Camelback is similar in that all the lifts are Borvig, except the two Doppelmayr HSQ's.