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[catskills]

Where are the 2010 New Lift Installs from SAM?

Did SAM not publish them for 2010?

[Peter]

SAM did publish the 2010 Lift Construction Survey in the January 2011 issue. It hasn't been posted to the Skilifts.org website yet. However, here is the same data in Excel form.

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[catskills]

Thanks I was interested in the vertical for the new Hunter High Speed Six, which is 1477 vertical feet. Hunter advertizes 1600 feet of vertical.

[Jonni]

Just FYI Peter....Loon did not install the Riverside double that is listed there. http://www.snowjourn...?cid=topic16791

[nathanvg]

I have skied and enjoyed Devil's Head but I wish they'd get some bad press about calling there fixed grip lift an "express" lift. While technically express might not imply detachable lift, it is the common practice.

It would be like Hertz renting you a "sports car" and when you got there it was a Geo Metro.

[SuperRat]

Jonni, on 19 April 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

Just FYI Peter....Loon did not install the Riverside double that is listed there. http://www.snowjourn...?cid=topic16791

Well, somebody installed it...

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[missouriskier]

nathanvg, on 19 April 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

I have skied and enjoyed Devil's Head but I wish they'd get some bad press about calling there fixed grip lift an "express" lift. While technically express might not imply detachable lift, it is the common practice.

It would be like Hertz renting you a "sports car" and when you got there it was a Geo Metro.

I understand what you are saying, and actually Devil's Head is long enough that maybe the lift should have been high speed, but with all the old doubles running at a decent clip, for the Midwest anyway, I wonder if the new quad actually runs slower than the double that it replaced. Anyone know the lift speed for the old Hall doubles that are there?

Also, with all of the lifts there being so old, it must be sort of "express" for them to have a new lift. I don't know if any other chairlift is newer than 30 years old there.

FYI: Mad River Mountain in Ohio also calls a Riblet fixed grip quad the "Fourstar Express."

Edit: I forgot one: The Express Quad Chair #4 at Sundown Mountain in Dubuque, Iowa. It is just an old center-pole quad and there isn't anything "express" about it, except maybe that it will eat through liftlines quicker than anything else there because it it Sundown's only quad. One time though, I guess that it was so "express" that it made my 2 or 3 year old sister's ski and boot come off and fall to the ground mid-ride! All she said was "ski-loose, ski-loose."

So, maybe Midwest resorts just like calling any quad "express."

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[skiersage]

nathanvg, on 19 April 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

I have skied and enjoyed Devil's Head but I wish they'd get some bad press about calling there fixed grip lift an "express" lift. While technically express might not imply detachable lift, it is the common practice.

It would be like Hertz renting you a "sports car" and when you got there it was a Geo Metro.

They are not the only resort to call a fixed grip lift an express this year. Shawnee peak named their new used lift the summit express. It is faster than the lift it replaced though.

On a side note, does anyone know what happened to the riblet triple it replaced? It was a 1984 vintage lift and usually lifts of that age are reused.

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[Jonni]

SuperRat, on 19 April 2011 - 03:00 PM, said:

Well, somebody installed it...

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Whaaaaaaaaaaat? But there's no mention of it on the website or on the trail map. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

[Peter]

Jonni, on 20 April 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

Whaaaaaaaaaaat? But there's no mention of it on the website or on the trail map. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

That's because it's owned by South Peak Resort, not Loon. Although I believe Loon is contracted to operate it.
http://www.southpeak...s/new-ski-lift/
http://spresort.blog...n-new-lift.html

[Jonni]

OK, that make sense now. It's interesting that they don't want to show this on the map. I would think that they would want it shown on the map so that it would keep people away from getting lost on that part of the mountain, despite it just being a ski-in/ski-out lift.

[Marc Shepherd]

catskills, on 15 April 2011 - 06:21 PM, said:

Thanks I was interested in the vertical for the new Hunter High Speed Six, which is 1477 vertical feet. Hunter advertizes 1600 feet of vertical.

According to mountainvertical.com, Hunter is 1,580 feet from the highest to the lowest point, which they round up to 1,600 feet for marketing purposes. That's measuring from the summit of Hunter down to the bottom of their beginner hill, Hunter One. However, no one actually skis that whole distance in a continuous run.

[SuperRat]

Jonni, on 20 April 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

Whaaaaaaaaaaat? But there's no mention of it on the website or on the trail map. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Pretty sneaky eh? Its a real-estate access lift so we don't promote it, just run it and maintain it. I think on a good day it might've seen 100 riders.

On the subject of getting lost, I think most people ski right past the homeowner's trail on Boom Run and never see the entrance (and SP has it signed for no public access), but those who do find it have a good sense of geography and figure out which turns lead to the lift once in SP's trail system. The only story of lost skiers I've heard, funnily enough involved a group of Loon marketing employees on a mission to take some photos. They failed to find the lift and while attempting to get un-lost they hiked through someones back yard and the owner objected.

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[skiPhreak]

catskills, on 15 April 2011 - 06:21 PM, said:

Thanks I was interested in the vertical for the new Hunter High Speed Six, which is 1477 vertical feet. Hunter advertizes 1600 feet of vertical.

It is interesting that the capacity of the lift was only 2600 I believe the old snowlite was 3000, who knows if it was that when it was removed tho.

[Peter Pitcher]

skiersage, on 20 April 2011 - 01:25 PM, said:

They are not the only resort to call a fixed grip lift an express this year. Shawnee peak named their new used lift the summit express. It is faster than the lift it replaced though.

On a side note, does anyone know what happened to the riblet triple it replaced? It was a 1984 vintage lift and usually lifts of that age are reused.

I'd like to know what happened to that riblet too. It seemed like a really good lift.

[ceo]

Cannon has a fixed-grip quad called the Cannonball Express. When they replaced the venerable Peabody double with an HSQ some years ago, I thought it should just be called the Peabody Quad, for consistency, but it's the Peabody Express.