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[DakarNick]

I was surfing Stahlseil's YouTube Channel and found this. Isn't Stahlseil a member here? Or he was?

Do you know who makes it? What year is it? It looks to me that the gondola cabins are a retrofit from the original. They look more modern than the machinery in the terminals.

The terminal stuff is here: http://www.youtube.c...u/3/blLdZcGxanY

There are a few clips of the line and an odd tower design in the beginning and end of this video: http://www.youtube.c...u/3/blLdZcGxanY

Thanks,

Nick

[SkiBachelor]

PHB :)

A similar lift can be found at Warner Canyon. However, it's a little bit different because this is a PHB-Hall.

http://www.skilifts..../or-wallowa.htm

[vonroll101]

DakarNick, on 22 January 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:

I was surfing Stahlseil's YouTube Channel and found this. Isn't Stahlseil a member here? Or he was?

Do you know who makes it? What year is it? It looks to me that the gondola cabins are a retrofit from the original. They look more modern than the machinery in the terminals.

The terminal stuff is here: http://www.youtube.c...u/3/blLdZcGxanY

There are a few clips of the line and an odd tower design in the beginning and end of this video: http://www.youtube.c...u/3/blLdZcGxanY

Thanks,

Nick

Vonroll-Habbegger. Under licence from Geovanola.I"ll do some research when it was built.I have A few Vonroll books from 1986 to 1991

This post has been edited by vonroll101: 22 January 2011 - 06:54 PM

[SkiBachelor]

Looking at the grip, it appears to be a PHB/Hall gondola.



However, as you may know, PHB/Hall was acquired by VonRoll in the 1980s.

[vonroll101]

http://www.maennlichen.ch/ Here is the 1978 Habbegger 4 passenger in Switzerland.Same grips.

[vonroll101]

Here is A good site http://lift-world.in...lbahn/page1.htm there is alot of great old 4 passenger lifts on here.You can see all sorts of manufactures using the same grips.And a few Vonroll type 101 lifts.

[vonroll101]

And A few more http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded#! http://www.youtube.c...h?v=vmK9vTStDx4 same grips

This post has been edited by vonroll101: 22 January 2011 - 08:34 PM

[Tramway Guy]

The system in Stahlseil's video was a Habegger system (prior to the Von Roll takeover/merger of Habegger). The grip design was originated by Giavanola of Switzerland, and was built under license by PHB, Habegger, and Stadeli that I know of; perhaps more. PHB and Giavanola grips look identical but major parts do not interchange.

PHB originally had an agreement with Constam in North America, and Constam built several systems in the U.S. including Squaw Valley, Park City (1 and 2) Sugarloaf 1 and 2, and Sierra Blanca (now Ski Apache). When Constam's agreement expired, Hall Ski Lift took over the arrangement and built several systems, including Loon Mountain, Stowe, High Wallowas, and Quincy (Illinois). Hall did not own PHB, nor Vice Versa.
Hall built one system completely on their own, a Gondola at Sterling Vineyards which did not use PHB grips, but rather purchased directly from Giavanola, since there was no longer a relationship with PHB after the mid '70's.
So to say that Von Roll bought PHB/Hall is inaccurate, since PHB had no arrangement with PWH (formerly PHB) at the time.
Most of the systems with a Giavonola grip were 4-passenger, but there were a few 6-passenger systems made by Von Roll-Habegger. One of these was a joint venture with Lift Engineering at Squaw Valley, which attempted to run at 5 m/s. It could never reliably achieve this because the launching system could not be maintained.
The Giavanola grip was/is a great system, but it has limitations.

[DakarNick]

Wow, thanks guys! I appreciate it. I knew I would get the answers! It is an interesting design and I forgot to even look at lift-world.info. But I did find it there as well as some other weird/old reversibles (from Stahlseil's page) that Garaventa made in the '40s and '50s.

I see that this type of gondola uses a belt for the arrival and departure zones.

[vonroll101]

DakarNick,Originally,these were gravity feed like the Vonroll vr101.Another company that used the Giovanola grip was Intamin.Intamin had a few amusement park skyrides.One was at Six Flags Magic Mountain in California.Intamin never grasped the Skyride market like Vonroll did starting in 1956 at Disneyland.

[vonroll101]

Six Flags Magic Mountain Eagles Flight built by Intamin.

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[rniemi]

SkiBachelor, on 22 January 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

PHB :)

A similar lift can be found at Warner Canyon. However, it's a little bit different because this is a PHB-Hall.

http://www.skilifts..../or-wallowa.htm

Wallowa Lake, that is. Warner Canyon just has a plain ol' Yan triple.

-Ryan

[seilbahnbilder.ch]

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PHB and Giavanola grips look identical but major parts do not interchange.

Sorry, but that's not true. PHP also used the Giovanola grip!

We still have some Giovanola-Gondolas in Switzerland:

My favorite: The Isenau-Gondola at Les Diablerets. It was the last Gondola that was built by Giovanola itself (in 1974).

^^ Valley station


^^ Grip in action.






^^ Acceleration


^^ Top station

This post has been edited by seilbahnbilder.ch: 01 February 2011 - 04:27 PM

[seilbahnbilder.ch]

[vonroll101]

Very Nice..Love that 3 legged tower.Looks similar to A Vonroll vr101.the station layout is similar..Do you have the description on how the Giovanola works compaired to A VR101.?

[seilbahnbilder.ch]

^^ On the top of the mountains in the background there is an other ski area called "Glacier 3000".



If you are interessted in some further pictures of the gondola and the ski area of Villars - Gryon - Les Diablerets, here you can find many of them: http://www.seilbahnb...dex.php?cat=167

Some other gondolas using Giovanola grips:


^^ The Melchsee-Frutt Gondola (by Habegger, 1976). This one is going to be replaced in 2013 by a new Doppelmayr-Gondola :(
More pictures here: http://www.seilbahnb...s.php?album=184


^^ The Hahnenmoos-Gondola at Adelboden (by Habegger, 1974)
More pictures here: http://www.seilbahnb...s.php?album=228


^^ The Rellerli-Gondola at Schönried (by Von Roll-Habegger, 1981)
More pictures here: http://www.seilbahnb...s.php?album=226

[seilbahnbilder.ch]

This two Giovanola-grip-gondolas were situated in "Scoul". Both of them were replaced in 2008 by a new Doppelmayr Gondola. The one on the left side was built by Habegger, the one on the right side by Giovanola itself.
More pictures here: http://www.seilbahnb...s.php?album=162


^^ The Maschgenkamm-Gondola at Flumserberg. Got renovated a few times, originally built in 1966 by Giovanola.
More pictures here: http://www.seilbahnb...s.php?album=232


^^ The Gant-Blauherd-Gondola at Zermatt. Probably going to be in operation for another 20 years! Built in 1971 by Giovanola itself. Originally there were other cabins (like the ones in Les Diablerets).
More pictures here: http://www.seilbahnb...ndex.php?cat=73

There are a a few more, but during the last years almost every summer one of them was replaced by a new installation.

[seilbahnbilder.ch]

vonroll101, on 01 February 2011 - 04:36 PM, said:

Very Nice..Love that 3 legged tower.Looks similar to A Vonroll vr101.the station layout is similar..Do you have the description on how the Giovanola works compaired to A VR101.?

Sorry, no idea... but as far as I know the mechanism is pretty different. There was a website where the mechanisms were explained, but I can't find it any more.

[vonroll101]

I have the VR101 picture on how it works in my files.I have allways wondered about how much different the Giovanola box grip is compaired to the Vonroll.Thanks for tring..

[DakarNick]

Sweet info and pics, guys! I appreciate it!