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[Peter]

It appears Doppelmayr CTEC is changing its name to Doppelmayr USA and Doppelmayr Canada. New websites are www.doppelmayr.ca and www.doppelmayrusa.com
Can anyone confirm? DoppelmayrCTEC.com is still up.

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[SkiBachelor]

This is indeed true and I gave a little hint about this in one of my previous forum status updates.

We were informed at Willamette Pass about the name change about 2 months ago and the new name will overwrite the old one starting the first of the year.

[SkiLiftsRock]

When they change their name what would you call a Doppelmayr CTEC lift? A Doppelmayr USA lift now? or Doppelmayr Canada if it is in Canada.

[SkiBachelor]

If it was built by Doppelmayr CTEC, it would be listed as being built by Doppelmayr CTEC. However, all new lifts would simply be listed under Doppelmayr.

[sseguin613]

Wouldn't it be more likely to be Doppelmayr Canada if it was a detachable and Doppelmayr USA if it was a fixed grip?
Just my thought.

But yes the CTEC was removed I believe last time I went by St. Jerome, on my way to Saint-Sauveur a week ago (was going by fast but didn't see CTEC next to the name anymore)

[skidv]

Sad to see the CTEC name go after all these years.

[SkiLiftsRock]

Why are they removing CTEC from the name? Did it not seem right to have anymore or did they want something new?

[iceberg210]

Honestly? I think it is just a natural progression of things, when the CTEC Dopp merger happened, it was more of a Jan selling the company to Dopp sort of thing would be my guess. So at first Dopp probably saw no reason to take the CTEC name off, but after years of being here, and having Dopp have as much name recognition as CTEC they figured they might as well drop the CTEC part. I can't help think the timing might have something to do with Jan's new venture, but that could just be coincidence.

[SkiLiftsRock]

iceberg210, on 16 December 2010 - 08:56 AM, said:

Honestly? I think it is just a natural progression of things, when the CTEC Dopp merger happened, it was more of a Jan selling the company to Dopp sort of thing would be my guess. So at first Dopp probably saw no reason to take the CTEC name off, but after years of being here, and having Dopp have as much name recognition as CTEC they figured they might as well drop the CTEC part. I can't help think the timing might have something to do with Jan's new venture, but that could just be coincidence.

What you said makes a lot of sense. Thanks :) Dropping CTEC from the name won't be a bad thing at all. Doppelmayr USA makes it sound more like it is from around here.

[iceberg210]

SkiLiftsRock, on 16 December 2010 - 10:40 AM, said:

What you said makes a lot of sense. Thanks :) Dropping CTEC from the name won't be a bad thing at all. Doppelmayr USA makes it sound more like it is from around here.

Make it sound from around here? Huh?

CTEC was the last big US manufacture of skilifts when they were bought out and in all reality while the name remained most all of the designs that were once CTEC have been replaced with the Doppelmayr (Austrian) equivalents. For better or worse I don't think anyone can really say that there are any "USA" lifts being made, sure they might be made here, or parts of them, but much of the design goes on in Europe for both Doppelmayr and Lietner Poma. Not saying this in a negative light necessarily, it's all what you're preferences are, and surely the product is good, but the point is that American manufactures of lifts died with Partek, CTEC, Yan, and Riblet among others. Even with the new player SkyTrac it seems like the evidence would suggest that much of the design and parts are coming from BMF.

In all reality there aren't any truly "American" lifts. Whether that be a natural progression through globalization, evidence of the US's waning dominance in manufacturing, or better quality product from overseas or numerous other reasons is a topic that could be debated forever. But I think most would agree that currently at least (for better or worse) the rich history of manufacturing and designing lifts in the US is over. (Here's hoping not forever however...)

[liftmech]

The name 'Doppelmayr CTEC' occurred because of the merger of Doppelmayr AG and Garaventa. Because of Garaventa's controlling interest in CTEC, they were part of the deal. I'm not sure Leonard had much of a choice.

[SkiLiftsRock]

iceberg210, on 16 December 2010 - 11:31 AM, said:

Make it sound from around here? Huh?

CTEC was the last big US manufacture of skilifts when they were bought out and in all reality while the name remained most all of the designs that were once CTEC have been replaced with the Doppelmayr (Austrian) equivalents. For better or worse I don't think anyone can really say that there are any "USA" lifts being made, sure they might be made here, or parts of them, but much of the design goes on in Europe for both Doppelmayr and Lietner Poma. Not saying this in a negative light necessarily, it's all what you're preferences are, and surely the product is good, but the point is that American manufactures of lifts died with Partek, CTEC, Yan, and Riblet among others. Even with the new player SkyTrac it seems like the evidence would suggest that much of the design and parts are coming from BMF.

In all reality there aren't any truly "American" lifts. Whether that be a natural progression through globalization, evidence of the US's waning dominance in manufacturing, or better quality product from overseas or numerous other reasons is a topic that could be debated forever. But I think most would agree that currently at least (for better or worse) the rich history of manufacturing and designing lifts in the US is over. (Here's hoping not forever however...)

I see your point. I never really understood the CTEC part except that they got bought out and the the name was added to Doppelmayr.
You did make a point that I didn't notice. It was about any lifts being made in the USA. They are in done in Europe. There are some parts done here, but not an entire lift.

[mthornton]

Although I am a long-time happy & loyal Doppelmayr customer, it is very sad to see no significant North American lift manufacturer remain. I feel this way because I think it is very important for small towns & small ski-hill operations to have access to quality affordable ski-lift machinery. The present situation will push new machinery prices higher, and force small hill to scramble for old used junk. Too bad.

Cat + GE + Square-D + US steel .... what is missing? Brains? Money? Gumption?

This post has been edited by mthornton: 16 December 2010 - 06:40 PM

[Lift Dinosaur]

mthornton, on 16 December 2010 - 06:39 PM, said:

Although I am a long-time happy & loyal Doppelmayr customer, it is very sad to see no significant North American lift manufacturer remain. I feel this way because I think it is very important for small towns & small ski-hill operations to have access to quality affordable ski-lift machinery. The present situation will push new machinery prices higher, and force small hill to scramble for old used junk. Too bad.

Cat + GE + Square-D + US steel .... what is missing? Brains? Money? Gumption?

Volume.....

Dino

[skierdude9450]

An interesting part in all this is that all of the Doppelmayr/Garaventa lifts in Switzerland are still being branded as Garaventa even though their design is 100% Doppelmayr.

[SkiLiftsRock]

skierdude9450, on 16 December 2010 - 10:34 PM, said:

An interesting part in all this is that all of the Doppelmayr/Garaventa lifts in Switzerland are still being branded as Garaventa even though their design is 100% Doppelmayr.

So Is Garaventa, Doppelmayr? Or are they the same thing. Two different names for one company?

[Peter]

The combined company is the Doppelmayr Garaventa Group, a holding company which owns both the Doppelmayr and Garaventa brands in addition to CWA, Input, DCC Doppelmayr Cable Car, and RopeCon.

[SkiLiftsRock]

Skier, on 17 December 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

The combined company is the Doppelmayr Garaventa Group, a holding company which owns both the Doppelmayr and Garaventa brands in addition to CWA, Input, DCC Doppelmayr Cable Car, and RopeCon.

Well all of that makes sense, but it is just confusing with all of the sub-company's in the big group.

[skierdude9450]

Skier, on 17 December 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

The combined company is the Doppelmayr Garaventa Group, a holding company which owns both the Doppelmayr and Garaventa brands in addition to CWA, Input, DCC Doppelmayr Cable Car, and RopeCon.

Don't forget Nippon Cable...

[liftmech]

SkiLiftsRock, on 17 December 2010 - 03:56 PM, said:

Well all of that makes sense, but it is just confusing with all of the sub-company's in the big group.

Most large, successful international companies are like that. GE (as in General Electric) holds a controlling interest or owns outright at least a dozen other recognised brands including NBC.