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[skier2]

New trail map:

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[Peter]

skier2, on 20 October 2010 - 11:49 AM, said:

New trail map:

Noticed a few things:
1) Flight of the Canyons Gondola is now called Red Pine Gondola
2) Golden Eagle replacement is called Orange Bubble Express

[sphrrt]

Uh, just curious, but does anyone know the point of the Flat Iron Lift - what does it accomplish aside from being (most likely) a real estate access lift for The Colony?

[tommyadrian5]

sphrrt, on 20 October 2010 - 09:03 PM, said:

Uh, just curious, but does anyone know the point of the Flat Iron Lift - what does it accomplish aside from being (most likely) a real estate access lift for The Colony?

That's all it is. It is only for use by residents/tenants of the colony to access the mountain from their homes.

edit. since it seems to be on the trail map this year maybe they have opened the use of it but in last years 'colony' homeowners report the flat iron lift operating costs were covered by the homeowners not the resort.

This post has been edited by tommyadrian5: 21 October 2010 - 12:55 PM

[floridaskier]

Are they really calling it Orange Bubble Express? The Red Pine Gondola change makes some sense (in keeping with the theme of name changes at The Canyons) because it goes to the Red Pine lodge and isn't nearly as important with the (capitalize it now) Orange Bubble lift there now.

I guess they figure people are going to keep calling it the orange bubble lift no matter what the name is, so they might as well make it official.

[sphrrt]

tommyadrian5, on 21 October 2010 - 12:50 PM, said:

That's all it is. It is only for use by residents/tenants of the colony to access the mountain from their homes.

edit. since it seems to be on the trail map this year maybe they have opened the use of it but in last years 'colony' homeowners report the flat iron lift operating costs were covered by the homeowners not the resort.

That's what I thought - was a bit surprised to see it on the map...thanks!

[alvin]

Hi guys - I have couple comments about the new trail map.

1. Anyone notice the "Cloud Dine" at the top of Dreamscape? Is this a new restaurant/lodge? I haven't seen/heard any announcement. my recollection is there wouldn't be enough room up there to build anything substantial, yet it has the same green circle icon as noted for the Sun Lodge, Red Pine Lodge, Lookout Cabin and Sun Lodge, and it indicates dining and restrooms.

2. I see the "Rip Cord" lift is still at the bottom of willow draw. Anyone know if this going to be upgraded at all - or if they were able to do any grading to make it easier to get back to the base from the north side of the mountain?

[floridaskier]

alvin, on 22 October 2010 - 06:09 PM, said:

Hi guys - I have couple comments about the new trail map.

1. Anyone notice the "Cloud Dine" at the top of Dreamscape? Is this a new restaurant/lodge? I haven't seen/heard any announcement. my recollection is there wouldn't be enough room up there to build anything substantial, yet it has the same green circle icon as noted for the Sun Lodge, Red Pine Lodge, Lookout Cabin and Sun Lodge, and it indicates dining and restrooms.

2. I see the "Rip Cord" lift is still at the bottom of willow draw. Anyone know if this going to be upgraded at all - or if they were able to do any grading to make it easier to get back to the base from the north side of the mountain?

Good spot. I'm surprised the improvements lists didn't say anything about that. The outdoor Dreamscape Grill is also still there at the bottom of Dreamscape and Day Break. Also, the Cloud Nine run is off of Tombstone, so that could be a little confusing.

The Canyons facebook page has confirmed it. Golden Eagle is now really truly Orange Bubble Express.

The handle tow formerly known as Towin has been given a new name and moved a couple hundred yards uphill on Willow Draw (maybe 10 vertical feet). They said the dirt from the snowmaking pond would be used to regrade the base area, and it looks like you'll be able to ski a lot more easily down to the new lift.

[tommyadrian5]

What's up with these weird towers for the 1st gondola stage in the background of this photo? Or is it just a temporary casing of some sort?

[Lift Dinosaur]

Those are the support columns and mounts for the terminal mechanisms - not line towers as you are used to seeing.
From the amount of concrete exposed on the downhill columns I assume that that area might be back-filled with dirt....

Dino

[floridaskier]

I wonder if the new angle station will be a Poma Omega terminal. If so, would this be the only lift that has the old grips with the Omega terminal?

[floridaskier]

The new Iron Mountain trails after a bit of snow last night

[Lift Dinosaur]

floridaskier, on 25 October 2010 - 01:21 PM, said:

I wonder if the new angle station will be a Poma Omega terminal. If so, would this be the only lift that has the old grips with the Omega terminal?

It will be a Competition terminal.....

Dino

[Doug]

So why doesn't canyons have more lifts to the summits? Is it due to land ownership?

This old concept map shows a couple additional to 9990: 1998 Canyons Trail Map

This post has been edited by Doug: 27 October 2010 - 05:05 AM

[ewillso7]

Doug, on 27 October 2010 - 05:01 AM, said:

So why doesn't canyons have more lifts to the summits? Is it due to land ownership?

This old concept map shows a couple additional to 9990: 1998 Canyons Trail Map

Not sure, maybe it's in the master plan.

As long as they don't put a lift on Square Top, there's some good snow up there!

[Tin Woodsman]

Doug, on 27 October 2010 - 05:01 AM, said:

So why doesn't canyons have more lifts to the summits? Is it due to land ownership?

This old concept map shows a couple additional to 9990: 1998 Canyons Trail Map

If you look at the topo map in Google Maps or other sources, you'll get half of your answer. There are limited locations along the summit ridge that are on private land. Most of it, including Square Top, is on USFS land and wouldn't be developed w/o an expensive and exhaustive approval process that the luddites at Save Our Canyons would be sure to hold up in court. Excluding Murdock Peak above Super Condor, there are three peaks worth running lifts to - 9990, and the peaks connected to the ridges above Peak 5 and Dreamscape. In the map you linked to, all three are lift served, which would have made a lot of sense. Those later two w/o lifts today offer the prospect of abundant high-elevation, north-facing terrain - a major gap in the current Canyons portfolio. Those lifts would also have been closer to Big Cottonwood Canyon (and its higher snowfall totals) than anything else at The Canyons.

Alas, for now it seems that the opportunity to build lifts to those peaks was sacrificed at the altar of unsustainable McMansions built up to 9000' and serviced via the useless Daybreak lift. You really couldn't dream up a less skier-friendly, more environmentally irresponsible set-up than what the ASC clowns did with that area.

[floridaskier]

Is it too late to build another lift up in the Day Break area that would use the current Day Break cattracks as a runout and nothing more? That might be the most useless lift in the country. I haven't been anywhere near that side of the mountain in years, so they might have built it out too much. The Dreamcatcher terrain isn't bad, and Dreamscape wouldn't be bad either if it had a high speed quad. That area is begging for some high speed lifts and a lift that takes you back to the other side of the resort.

[Lift Dinosaur]

Sounds like the mountain is terribly layed out.
Why do you guys insist on skiing there?

Dino

[Tin Woodsman]

Lift Dinosaur, on 28 October 2010 - 05:19 PM, said:

Sounds like the mountain is terribly layed out.
Why do you guys insist on skiing there?

Dino

It is terribly laid out. The base area is on the wrong place. It's incredibly inconvenient for day skiers. It requires 2-3 lifts before you can even access 3/4 of the terrain. It's next to impossible to get from one side of the resort to the other, with a single run (Chicane/Sidewinder) being pretty much the only way to do so. And they've forgone the possibility of utilizing their best and most consistent cruising terrain and high altitude steeps in favor of building high-elevation McMansions. This pace is Exhibit A, B, C and D of how not to design a ski resort. The only redeeming feature is that there's 3500 acres of terrain with lots of trees and few skiers. Makes for lots of untracked opportunities if you know where to go.

[Peter]

Well we now know the terminal color scheme...

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