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[SkiBachelor]

Skier123, on 28 September 2009 - 05:22 PM, said:

Oh, I get it now. Yeah, for example the BreckConnect gondola uses the 3 mast version on both end terminals. Then again, that's the second generation Omega. Actually, I don't think they even made gondolas with the first generation Omega. Anyone know about that?

Check out the gondola at Gore: http://justagirlinth...gondola-450.jpg

[Skier123]

SkiBachelor, on 28 September 2009 - 06:41 PM, said:

Check out the gondola at Gore: http://justagirlinth...gondola-450.jpg

Haha, okay, never mind. Were there more than just that one? First generation Omega gondolas don't really seem that common.

[vons]

I think sunshine village ab has an older omaga gondola

[SkiBachelor]

Gore's was installed in 1999, Kicking Horse's in 2000 and Sunshine's in 2001.

[Skier123]

Skier, on 13 September 2009 - 11:49 AM, said:

We've discussed this before; it is nowhere near that simple. In fact if you were to make a generalization of the two it would seem that Doppelmayr CTEC is cheaper because it far outsells L-P in any given year...

I have a question. Is it true in general that Doppelmayr CTEC's fixed grip lifts tend to be less expensive than Leitner-Poma's, but L-P's detachable lifts are usually less expensive than D-CTEC's? I know that most of the time it probably isn't that simple, but in the examples you gave that was the case. Also, at Tamarack in Idaho, they bought 2 L-P high speed quads and 1 D-CTEC fixed grip quad in the same year. The only explanation for that would be that they picked the lifts with the lowest costs.

[Allan]

LP's quote for our FGQ was less than Doppelmayr's... we bought the Doppelmayr.

[Skier123]

Allan, on 02 October 2009 - 12:33 PM, said:

LP's quote for our FGQ was less than Doppelmayr's... we bought the Doppelmayr.

Was it to keep part consistency? Tamarack was a new resort when those lifts were installed, so that couldn't have been a reason why they got the Doppelmayr quad. But still, thanks for the counterexample.

[Peter]

Skier123, on 02 October 2009 - 12:13 PM, said:

Also, at Tamarack in Idaho, they bought 2 L-P high speed quads and 1 D-CTEC fixed grip quad in the same year. The only explanation for that would be that they picked the lifts with the lowest costs.

I believe the explanation I heard for that was that they were bid separately. The detachables were actually bid the previous season but installtion was delayed. Then the beginner lift was bid the next year and all three were built at once.

Sometimes it's just and issue of supply and demand. In 1997 The Canyons installed lifts from Poma, Doppelmayr and CTEC in one summer.

[Allan]

Skier123, on 02 October 2009 - 12:39 PM, said:

Was it to keep part consistency? Tamarack was a new resort when those lifts were installed, so that couldn't have been a reason why they got the Doppelmayr quad. But still, thanks for the counterexample.

No - it was our first new lift since the 70s :) Not too sure why we went the route we did; maybe to stick with what the ops manager at the time knew?

[LuvPow]

It appears to me that the DoppCtec FG is cheaper because it is mostly Ctec, the FG was Ctec's bread n butter...

[SkiBachelor]

Delivery is also a huge factor, which Skier touched on with the variety of lifts ASC bought for the Canyons in 97.

When I took a tour the Doppelmayr CTEC plant, one competitive advantage I noticed was that it had an inventory of lift components which were ready to be installed if a resort decided to install a new lift at the last minute. Would you like to have your new lift open at the start of the ski season or early February?

When I was at Steamboat two weeks ago, I was amazed at how slow the pulse gondola project was moving along. Why, most likely lift components were not is storage like at D-C. However, in an economy like ours right now, maybe it's a good idea to only produce parts when orders are placed. No company wants to waste money if a new design is being released next year.

[brad82]

For Doppelmayr, I would go for UNI-G, but for Poma, I would choose the European SATELLIT terminal:



Although I wish they would use metal instead of concrete for the supports

[LuvPow]

SkiBachelor, on 02 October 2009 - 07:19 PM, said:

Delivery is also a huge factor, which Skier touched on with the variety of lifts ASC bought for the Canyons in 97.

When I took a tour the Doppelmayr CTEC plant, one competitive advantage I noticed was that it had an inventory of lift components which were ready to be installed if a resort decided to install a new lift at the last minute. Would you like to have your new lift open at the start of the ski season or early February?

When I was at Steamboat two weeks ago, I was amazed at how slow the pulse gondola project was moving along. Why, most likely lift components were not is storage like at D-C. However, in an economy like ours right now, maybe it's a good idea to only produce parts when orders are placed. No company wants to waste money if a new design is being released next year.

Well, I think every Project Manager is different as far as the lift construction end of it goes. There is a variety of Project Manager's in one company, that is why I think it is beneficial for resorts to check into the staff (lift Co.staff that is) and add in their choice of PM into the contract .. the quality of crew you hire can also dictate progress to some degree. Lift Construction deals with the same issues ski resorts do, as far as the revolving door of staff and lower wages... plus the hard work and long hours!
I would think LP would be able to supply parts fairly easy this season. I know that Marmot is right on target for construction/load test and that the ski area is extremely pleased with LP regarding construction in Jasper Parks (which has a lot of restrictions) & their new lift.

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[Skier123]

Kicking Horse, on 13 September 2009 - 10:16 AM, said:

This is True for the most part Dino, but we all know that The Aspen Ski Company only buys L-P...

Aspen buys from Leitner-Poma because their Headquarters is only about 2 hours away. To buy from Doppelmayr CTEC which is much farther away would just be a waste of time and money.

[skierdude9450]

Actually my favorite would probably be the French Poma Multix terminal.

[Kicking Horse]

I like the current Detachable Terminals that are in production right now. You have a lot of room in the drive terminal which is great. Only thing I hate is the the water drip on to the ramp!!!

[Skier123]

skierdude9450, on 04 October 2009 - 11:04 AM, said:

Actually my favorite would probably be the French Poma Multix terminal.

I kind of looks like a combination of the current Omega drive terminal and the Satellit.

[Skier123]

Does anyone know the name of this terminal model? I believe it's made by Doppelmayr.

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[Lift Kid]

Skier123, on 11 October 2009 - 04:24 AM, said:

Does anyone know the name of this terminal model? I believe it's made by Doppelmayr.

DoppelmayrUnknownModel.jpg

That looks like a Poma Omega terminal with a slight window modification.

[DonaldMReif]

I personally don't have any preference, although color sometimes matters! It makes me wonder why (and it is not noted here in any threads) Breckenridge repainted the terminals on the Mercury SuperChair and Rocky Mountain SuperChair in 2008 (from gray terminals with the name, Breckenridge, and Poma logos to beige terminals with no names or logos on them), although this may have been so as to match them up with the rest of the lifts (the only reason the Beaver Run SuperChair is orange being so as to match up with the color of buildings at Beaver Run base on Peak 9, which the lift is named for).