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[Skier123]

Which do you like better: the UNI-G or the UNI-GS?
Which do you like better: the first or second Omega?

Here are the pictures:

UNI-G  BirdsOfPreyExpressFront.jpg (94.19K)
Number of downloads: 111 vs. UNI-GS  SultanExpressTop.jpg (60.97K)
Number of downloads: 138


1st Omega  SuperBeeExpressBottom.jpg (66.9K)
Number of downloads: 152 vs. 2nd Omega  AjaxExpressBottom.jpg (91.21K)
Number of downloads: 115

Note: all picture belong to skilifts.org.

[sseguin613]

I much prefer the Uni G style over the Uni GS.
As far as Poma, I'm not really a fan of their current design, but between the choices, i would pick 2nd Omega due to the angled supports.

[Kicking Horse]

All lift terminals are sexy. :)

[Bogong]

Signs you spend too much time skiing and should get out more. Number 7:

Kicking Horse, on 12 September 2009 - 03:29 PM, said:

All lift terminals are sexy. :)

[Skier123]

sseguin613, on 12 September 2009 - 02:35 PM, said:

I much prefer the Uni G style over the Uni GS.

Yeah, I'm still kind of confused why they replaced the UNI-G with the UNI-GS in North America. If I was a ski resort owner, I would spend the extra money to import the UNI-G from Europe.

[Kicking Horse]

Bogong, on 12 September 2009 - 04:43 PM, said:

Signs you spend too much time skiing and should get out more. Number 7:

LOL. I have been interested in lifts since I was 9 years old after something happened at Breck one day......

[DonaldMReif]

Personally, I don't have a preference, although I haven't seen UNI-GS terminals in Colorado (or the ones that there are), although the UNI-G terminals on the high speed quads at Beaver Creek are nice.

[Lift Dinosaur]

Skier123, on 12 September 2009 - 06:28 PM, said:

If I was a ski resort owner, I would spend the extra money to import the UNI-G from Europe.

No you wouldn't. Ski Resort Owners only by lifts by PRICE - not design, color, sexy, etc.

Dino

[Skier123]

Lift Dinosaur, on 13 September 2009 - 06:26 AM, said:

No you wouldn't. Ski Resort Owners only by lifts by PRICE - not design, color, sexy, etc.

Dino

Haha, your probably right. But Doppelmayr CTEC designed the UNI-GS to be a lower cost terminal style, yet there are still resorts that buy the UNI-G from Europe instead.

[Skier123]

By the way, does anyone know why some of the 1st generation Omegas have the extra section added on and some don't?

[Lift Dinosaur]

Skier123, on 13 September 2009 - 08:47 AM, said:

By the way, does anyone know why some of the 1st generation Omegas have the extra section added on and some don't?

The roof extensions are necessary at Drive Stations that have large diesel auxiliary engines.

Dino

[Kicking Horse]

Lift Dinosaur, on 13 September 2009 - 06:26 AM, said:

No you wouldn't. Ski Resort Owners only by lifts by PRICE - not design, color, sexy, etc.

Dino

This is True for the most part Dino, but we all know that The Aspen Ski Company only buys L-P...

[Skier123]

Lift Dinosaur, on 13 September 2009 - 09:50 AM, said:

The roof extensions are necessary at Drive Stations that have large diesel auxiliary engines.

Dino

Okay, thanks.

[Skier123]

Kicking Horse, on 13 September 2009 - 10:16 AM, said:

This is True for the most part Dino, but we all know that The Aspen Ski Company only buys L-P...

As usual, my lack of full knowledge about ski lifts may make me sound stupid, but I always thought Leitner-Poma was less expensive than Doppelmayr Ctec. I don't know why, but Doppelmayr's products always seem more expensivce. And by the way, there are resorts like Beaver Creek that don't have a single Poma ski lift, and only have Dopplemayr/Garaventa CTEC lifts.

This post has been edited by Skier123: 13 September 2009 - 11:06 AM

[Peter]

We've discussed this before; it is nowhere near that simple. In fact if you were to make a generalization of the two it would seem that Doppelmayr CTEC is cheaper because it far outsells L-P in any given year.

Since most ski resorts are privately owned, the bidding process is usually invisible to us. However, there are a few resorts that are publicly owned, and the bids for their lift projects are public record. For example, in recent years the State of New York has bid a new detachable quad at Gore Mountain, a fixed triple at Whiteface, and an aerial tram in New York City. Here is how the bids came in:

Whiteface
Lookout Mountain
Fixed Grip Triple
Doppelmayr CTEC: $2,384,770
Leitner-Poma: $3,450,000

Gore Mountain
Burnt Ridge Express
Detachable Quad
Doppelmayr CTEC: $5,261,485
Leitner-Poma: $4,971,220

New York City
Roosevelt Island Tram
Aerial Tramway
Doppelmayr CTEC: 24,880,000
Leitner-Poma 14,947,590

There are a number of factors that affect these bids.
1. Supply and Demand. If one company or the other is already very busy for a particular year, they may bid higher because they are not in need of work. Likewise if one only has a few projects lined up for the summer they might bid low.
2. Geography. As vons stated in another thread, "Poma tends to win bids in CO due to low shipping costs and ease of tech support as D-CTEC tends to win in UT for much the same reasons."
3. Ski areas tend to stick with the same supplier, but not always. The companies seem to bid lower for existing customers. In the NY example above, Gore has mostly been a Poma customer and Whiteface has consistently gone with Doppelmayr. Clearly the State of NY simply picked the cheapest one but if they are very close a ski area might pick the higher one to keep consistency with parts etc.

[Skier123]

Skier, on 13 September 2009 - 11:49 AM, said:

We've discussed this before; it is nowhere near that simple. In fact if you were to make a generalization of the two it would seem that Doppelmayr CTEC is cheaper because it far outsells L-P in any given year...

Thanks for all the information.

[Skier123]

sseguin613, on 12 September 2009 - 02:35 PM, said:

I much prefer the Uni G style over the Uni GS.
As far as Poma, I'm not really a fan of their current design, but between the choices, i would pick 2nd Omega due to the angled supports.

Actually, in 1999, the design of the first Omega was slightly modified, part of which was the addition of angled supports. Here is a picture:

 Excelerator.jpg (81.44K)
Number of downloads: 50

[skierdude9450]

For one, that's still the original Omega terminal, just the smaller version with two masts (quads and some six packs). What you see in the first picture is the three mast larger version for six packs and gondolas.

Personally, the UNI-G takes the cake.

[skier2]

Kicking Horse, on 13 September 2009 - 05:14 AM, said:

LOL. I have been interested in lifts since I was 9 years old after something happened at Breck one day......

Hmmm, and just what was that?

[Skier123]

skierdude9450, on 26 September 2009 - 05:38 PM, said:

For one, that's still the original Omega terminal, just the smaller version with two masts (quads and some six packs). What you see in the first picture is the three mast larger version for six packs and gondolas.

Personally, the UNI-G takes the cake.

Oh, I get it now. Yeah, for example the BreckConnect gondola uses the 3 mast version on both end terminals. Then again, that's the second generation Omega. Actually, I don't think they even made gondolas with the first generation Omega. Anyone know about that?