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#1 Lift Kid

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 06:15 PM

Hello all,
I come to you with some questions regarding the functions of several buttons on control panels that I have seen. I'm just curious to learn what all of the numerous buttons do! These buttons in question are on newer Doppelmayr CTEC lifts. I would like to know what each button does, specifically. Also, there is a switch that I did not include a picture of that reads "Spacing System" Off and Hold. What does each position do? Thanks to anyone with the answer!

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 08:12 AM

 Lift Kid, on 27 August 2009 - 06:15 PM, said:

Hello all,
I come to you with some questions regarding the functions of several buttons on control panels that I have seen. I'm just curious to learn what all of the numerous buttons do! These buttons in question are on newer Doppelmayr CTEC lifts. I would like to know what each button does, specifically. Also, there is a switch that I did not include a picture of that reads "Spacing System" Off and Hold. What does each position do? Thanks to anyone with the answer!


I recognize these buttons from our older Doppelmayr detachables from the late eighties and mid nineties. Are you certain about the age of the lift?

The "manual launch" button on our gondola is used to send any cabin held in the spacing clutch into the accelerator and on-line before the pre-programmed carrier spacing.

The "C.I.S.-Start" button is for marking a carrier for itentification upon arrival at the opposite station. When it is pushed the next carrier to leave the station will be "identified" by the lift computer and when it approaches the opposite station an alarm sounds in the control room.

The "override anti-collision, override function" when pressed will prevent the anti-collision system from stopping the lift. The override condition stops as soon as the momentary button is released. On our older lifts any anti-collision fault that occurs during an override will still display on the control screen until the reset button is pressed. If the fault messages are left on screen too long the lift will stop. Also, the lifts automatically slow during an override. On older Doppelmayrs it was necessary to override the a-c system during any start-up immediately following turning the controls on. The a-c system typically generates false fault upon power up because some data concerning chair locations in the terminal is lost when the power is turned off. It is the operators responsibility to visually confirm the safe movement of the carriers through the terminal while in override.

The "Spacing System, Off / Hold" switch sounds like the rough spacing controls. Doppelmayr chair lifts I'm familiar with, one with tire conveyors, have two spacing systems. The Fine-Spacing system is controlled by the lifts computers and makes small spacing corrections continuously while the lift runs at any speed. It basically slows or speeds up a small section of the tire conveyor to advance or retard the chairs. The rough spacing system uses magnetic braking-clutches on three of the conveyor tires to "hold" each chair until it is at the proper spacing interval. The process must be started by the operator (a mechanic) by holding chair number one. On newer lifts the computer determines the length of the "hold" but on older lifts the operator must determine the length, usually about 2/3rd the normal length between chairs. A rough spacing lap should be done at a slow speed and generally not when passengers are riding. Only one spacing system is used at time. Generally the rough system is only used occasionally to correct errors greater than the fine system can handle.

I'm familar with the "reserve" button but the only ones I've seen aren't connected to anything. They might be nothing more than a spare button.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 02:57 PM

Very good. Thanks SuperRat. By the way, the lift that the picture is from is Larkspur Express (2006) at Beaver Creek. I saw it on some of the other Doppies there, including the Buckaroo Gondola (2007).

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 10:52 AM

Beaver Creek makes sense, I believe they've favored installing UNI-Gs which as a European model has Pilz controls like older Doppelmayrs. Many of the Doppelmayr-CTEC UNI-GS models used an Allen Bradley based control system.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 05:30 PM

Our '94 has the Pilz system mentioned, and the 'spacer off' position turns off the inputs to the fine-spacing clutches. The fast and slow contours are then run at the default 'normal' speed, which we'll do from time to time if there's an issue with one or both the clutches.
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Posted 29 August 2009 - 07:53 PM

Now I must ask. What is the Pilz system? Is that the drive or something else? If this isn't on newer lifts, what replaced it?

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 08:05 PM

 Lift Kid, on 29 August 2009 - 07:53 PM, said:

Now I must ask. What is the Pilz system? Is that the drive or something else? If this isn't on newer lifts, what replaced it?

Pilz is the PLC manufacturer, as is Allen Bradley
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Posted 30 August 2009 - 07:55 AM

Ahh got it. So who are they currently using for PLCs?

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Posted 30 August 2009 - 09:07 AM

 Lift Kid, on 30 August 2009 - 07:55 AM, said:

Ahh got it. So who are they currently using for PLCs?



Allen-Bradley ControlLogix... That's it on the left side second section down (from the D/CTEC electrical dept.)

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Posted 30 August 2009 - 01:17 PM

The manufacturer's web sites...

Allen-Bradley ControlLogix: http://www.ab.com/pr...c/controllogix/

Pilz Modular Control Systems: http://www.pilz.us/p...rl/index.en.jsp

I haven't seen a Pilz system less than 14 years old so I'm guessing this is at least simular to what Doppelmayr is using now.

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Posted 30 August 2009 - 02:58 PM

Since '98, Doppelmayr has been using Pilz PSS systems - better known as the encyclopedia set. I've heard that Doppelmayr Canada was installing AB Contrologix (optional), but I have never seen one.

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 06:12 AM

PILZ is the controller supplied by Wolfort. Allen-Bradley is the controller supplied from Salt Lake. Don't know for sure but it is sounding like PILZ will be the controller supplied on all future Doppelmayr lifts.
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Posted 31 August 2009 - 01:22 PM

Doppelmayr are phasing out the AB controls and will be supplying only Pilz once their inventory is run out. Symphony chair has the AB controls we got by accident. (forgot to specify Pilz :cursing: ) Doppelmayr have been using Pilz since at least 1985 and I would imagine the have been using them since they commenced building detachables.

The "reserve" button is a spare you can do with what you like. We have converted it into the "counter fault test" button on most of our lifts.

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 02:20 PM

 Aussierob, on 31 August 2009 - 01:22 PM, said:

Doppelmayr are phasing out the AB controls and will be supplying only Pilz once their inventory is run out. Symphony chair has the AB controls we got by accident. (forgot to specify Pilz :cursing: ) Doppelmayr have been using Pilz since at least 1985 and I would imagine the have been using them since they commenced building detachables.

The "reserve" button is a spare you can do with what you like. We have converted it into the "counter fault test" button on most of our lifts.

The reserve button is now a chair hold (first stow position)on my 1989 and 1990 ET's (for spacing)We also had the manual launch button programmed so that when you operate in reverse it operates all three clutch/brake positions. Makes it way easier and quicker than running a whole lap to get a good stall on chair 1 !
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Posted 31 August 2009 - 03:33 PM

 mikest2, on 31 August 2009 - 02:20 PM, said:

The reserve button is now a chair hold (first stow position)on my 1989 and 1990 ET's (for spacing)We also had the manual launch button programmed so that when you operate in reverse it operates all three clutch/brake positions. Makes it way easier and quicker than running a whole lap to get a good stall on chair 1 !


Mike, you are right on about holding one chair in reverse. Way faster then spacing the entire lift!
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Posted 19 June 2010 - 05:03 PM

What does an Override Roll Back button do?

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 09:40 PM

 SkiLiftsRock, on 19 June 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

What does an Override Roll Back button do?


On a Dopp, after having run in reverse, the rollback pads are activating the rollback switches. By holding the override rollback, you can run the lift in forward and the rollback switches reset themselves, release the button and continue operation
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