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#21 Kicking Horse

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 04:54 PM

View PostSkier123, on 28 August 2009 - 03:33 PM, said:

On this site it said the drive was new from 2003. I thought they might have removed an Alpha drive and replaced it with another drive, though that does kind of seem unlikely now considering no one makes vault drives anymore. I guess it's just a misunderstanding on my part.



FYI, Vault drives are still being built. Might want to do some more reading / research before you say such a stupid thing like vault drives are not made anymore.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 05:35 PM

View PostKicking Horse, on 28 August 2009 - 04:54 PM, said:

FYI, Vault drives are still being built. Might want to do some more reading / research before you say such a stupid thing like vault drives are not made anymore.


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Posted 28 August 2009 - 06:13 PM

View PostSkier123, on 28 August 2009 - 03:33 PM, said:

On this site it said the drive was new from 2003. I thought they might have removed an Alpha drive and replaced it with another drive, though that does kind of seem unlikely now considering no one makes vault drives anymore. I guess it's just a misunderstanding on my part.


Usually when something says a lift got just a new "drive" that usually refers to the motor and the electrical components that control it. Not the whole terminal. And yes it is still possible to get vault drive lifts. The new keystone gondola and Peruvian at snowbird both have them.
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Posted 29 August 2009 - 05:25 PM

Sorry if I confused anyone-- I wrote the page on the Flyer and I referred to the new ABB digital drive we installed in 2003. In general, if a lift receives a new drive terminal it will be noted as such-- such as the aforementioned High Lonesome lift which had its fixed-grip Alpha terminals replaced with the high-speed Challenger ones.

I enjoy the gondola-sized vault and terminal on the Flyer-- much more room to work in than a more common overhead-drive terminal.
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Posted 29 August 2009 - 07:35 PM

View PostKicking Horse, on 28 August 2009 - 04:54 PM, said:

FYI, Vault drives are still being built. Might want to do some more reading / research before you say such a stupid thing like vault drives are not made anymore.


Haha, sorry for the confusion, you misunderstood my comment. I wasn't saying that vault drives aren't built anymore, I was simply over-exaggerating the fact that vault drives aren't as common as they used to be. Might want to do some thinking before you make assumptions and start making a fool of yourself on a public forum. :smile:

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 08:53 PM

View PostSkier123, on 29 August 2009 - 07:35 PM, said:

Haha, sorry for the confusion, you misunderstood my comment. I wasn't saying that vault drives aren't built anymore, I was simply over-exaggerating the fact that vault drives aren't as common as they used to be. Might want to do some thinking before you make assumptions and start making a fool of yourself on a public forum. Posted Image



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Posted 30 August 2009 - 05:54 AM

Alpauris in Alpe D'Huez, France;

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 05:21 PM

View Postpomafr, on 30 August 2009 - 05:54 AM, said:

Alpauris in Alpe D'Huez, France;


Do you know what type of terminal the first station was? The other station definitely looked like a Falcon, but the bottom one looked like an Alpha drive and something else.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 09:02 AM

View PostSkier123, on 03 September 2009 - 05:21 PM, said:

Do you know what type of terminal the first station was? The other station definitely looked like a Falcon, but the bottom one looked like an Alpha drive and something else.


I'm afraid I have no idea what type it is. The lift was built in 1988, so a design of some sort from before then.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 09:21 AM

View Postpomafr, on 30 August 2009 - 05:54 AM, said:

Alpauris in Alpe D'Huez, France;

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That looks a million times better than Falcon lift at Breck.
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Posted 04 September 2009 - 01:15 PM

View Postpomafr, on 04 September 2009 - 09:02 AM, said:

I'm afraid I have no idea what type it is. The lift was built in 1988, so a design of some sort from before then.


It kind of looks more like a Leitner terminal.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 08:07 PM

It appears to be a European design. I do believe the Falcon was a European design as well, but it was brought over here. As for that other terminal, we can assume it was a European only design.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 08:15 PM

It actually looks quite similar to the 3 Poma detachables built in 1988 in North America at Crystal Mountain, Sunshine Village, and Waterville Valley.
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Posted 04 September 2009 - 08:15 PM

View PostSkier, on 04 September 2009 - 08:15 PM, said:

It actually looks quite similar to the 3 Poma detachables built in 1988 in North America at Crystal Mountain, Sunshine Village, and Waterville Valley.
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I agree. Perhaps an early version?

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 05:06 AM

This terminal design is called Performant. Presumably a European only design, an article on the Poma website wrote that this terminal was installed on a lift called La Moraine.

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From the side you can see it looks the same, as well as in the front shots of both lifts below.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 08:38 PM

View PostSkier, on 04 September 2009 - 08:15 PM, said:

It actually looks quite similar to the 3 Poma detachables built in 1988 in North America at Crystal Mountain, Sunshine Village, and Waterville Valley.


You're right, and that would make sense, considering those models were built in the same year as the unknown one.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 08:42 PM

Has anyone noticed how much the Doppelmayr UNI-G looks like that early Poma model?
Here are a few comparison pictures:

Here are the fronts of the terminals:
Poma:Attached File  WhitePeakExpressFront.jpg (6.75K)
Number of downloads: 41 Doppelmayr:Attached File  BirdsOfPreyExpressFront.jpg (14.87K)
Number of downloads: 49

And here are the sides:
Poma:Attached File  WhitePeakExpressSide.jpg (10.25K)
Number of downloads: 47 Doppelmayr:Attached File  BirdsOfPreyExpressSide.jpg (12.59K)
Number of downloads: 38

I think Doppelmayr kind of copied Poma's design.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 11:05 PM

View PostSkier123, on 06 September 2009 - 08:38 PM, said:

You're right, and that would make sense, considering those models were built in the same year as the unknown one.


Did you not read my previous post?

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Posted 07 September 2009 - 08:14 AM

View Postpomafr, on 06 September 2009 - 11:05 PM, said:

Did you not read my previous post?


The lift that Skier was talking about does not have a name, according to this website. I was saying that they are possibly the same model, or at least that it was the American version of the Performant. The two lifts do look quite similar.

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 11:42 AM

One of the easiest clues to help you know that the two Colorado examples (Falcon SuperChair and High Lonesome Express) are converted lifts is this: the hold-down towers at the bottom.

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These "gantry" towers, where the sheaves are mounted to a gantry, are like those seen at loading areas on 1980s Poma fixed grip lifts:

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