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[Kicking Horse]

Skier123, on 28 August 2009 - 03:33 PM, said:

On this site it said the drive was new from 2003. I thought they might have removed an Alpha drive and replaced it with another drive, though that does kind of seem unlikely now considering no one makes vault drives anymore. I guess it's just a misunderstanding on my part.

FYI, Vault drives are still being built. Might want to do some more reading / research before you say such a stupid thing like vault drives are not made anymore.

This post has been edited by Kicking Horse: 28 August 2009 - 04:54 PM

[Andoman]

Kicking Horse, on 28 August 2009 - 04:54 PM, said:

FYI, Vault drives are still being built. Might want to do some more reading / research before you say such a stupid thing like vault drives are not made anymore.

we're all friends here.

This post has been edited by Andoman: 28 August 2009 - 05:37 PM

[skiersage]

Skier123, on 28 August 2009 - 03:33 PM, said:

On this site it said the drive was new from 2003. I thought they might have removed an Alpha drive and replaced it with another drive, though that does kind of seem unlikely now considering no one makes vault drives anymore. I guess it's just a misunderstanding on my part.

Usually when something says a lift got just a new "drive" that usually refers to the motor and the electrical components that control it. Not the whole terminal. And yes it is still possible to get vault drive lifts. The new keystone gondola and Peruvian at snowbird both have them.

[liftmech]

Sorry if I confused anyone-- I wrote the page on the Flyer and I referred to the new ABB digital drive we installed in 2003. In general, if a lift receives a new drive terminal it will be noted as such-- such as the aforementioned High Lonesome lift which had its fixed-grip Alpha terminals replaced with the high-speed Challenger ones.

I enjoy the gondola-sized vault and terminal on the Flyer-- much more room to work in than a more common overhead-drive terminal.

[Skier123]

Kicking Horse, on 28 August 2009 - 04:54 PM, said:

FYI, Vault drives are still being built. Might want to do some more reading / research before you say such a stupid thing like vault drives are not made anymore.

Haha, sorry for the confusion, you misunderstood my comment. I wasn't saying that vault drives aren't built anymore, I was simply over-exaggerating the fact that vault drives aren't as common as they used to be. Might want to do some thinking before you make assumptions and start making a fool of yourself on a public forum.

[Kicking Horse]

Skier123, on 29 August 2009 - 07:35 PM, said:

Haha, sorry for the confusion, you misunderstood my comment. I wasn't saying that vault drives aren't built anymore, I was simply over-exaggerating the fact that vault drives aren't as common as they used to be. Might want to do some thinking before you make assumptions and start making a fool of yourself on a public forum.

[pomafr]

Alpauris in Alpe D'Huez, France;

First station





Third Station

[Skier123]

pomafr, on 30 August 2009 - 05:54 AM, said:

Alpauris in Alpe D'Huez, France;

Do you know what type of terminal the first station was? The other station definitely looked like a Falcon, but the bottom one looked like an Alpha drive and something else.

[pomafr]

Skier123, on 03 September 2009 - 05:21 PM, said:

Do you know what type of terminal the first station was? The other station definitely looked like a Falcon, but the bottom one looked like an Alpha drive and something else.

I'm afraid I have no idea what type it is. The lift was built in 1988, so a design of some sort from before then.

[2milehi]

pomafr, on 30 August 2009 - 05:54 AM, said:

Alpauris in Alpe D'Huez, France;

First station

That looks a million times better than Falcon lift at Breck.

[Skier123]

pomafr, on 04 September 2009 - 09:02 AM, said:

I'm afraid I have no idea what type it is. The lift was built in 1988, so a design of some sort from before then.

It kind of looks more like a Leitner terminal.

[Lift Kid]

It appears to be a European design. I do believe the Falcon was a European design as well, but it was brought over here. As for that other terminal, we can assume it was a European only design.

[Peter]

It actually looks quite similar to the 3 Poma detachables built in 1988 in North America at Crystal Mountain, Sunshine Village, and Waterville Valley.

[Lift Kid]

Skier, on 04 September 2009 - 08:15 PM, said:

It actually looks quite similar to the 3 Poma detachables built in 1988 in North America at Crystal Mountain, Sunshine Village, and Waterville Valley.

I agree. Perhaps an early version?

[pomafr]

This terminal design is called Performant. Presumably a European only design, an article on the Poma website wrote that this terminal was installed on a lift called La Moraine.



From the side you can see it looks the same, as well as in the front shots of both lifts below.

[Skier123]

Skier, on 04 September 2009 - 08:15 PM, said:

It actually looks quite similar to the 3 Poma detachables built in 1988 in North America at Crystal Mountain, Sunshine Village, and Waterville Valley.

You're right, and that would make sense, considering those models were built in the same year as the unknown one.

[Skier123]

Has anyone noticed how much the Doppelmayr UNI-G looks like that early Poma model?
Here are a few comparison pictures:

Here are the fronts of the terminals:
Poma:  WhitePeakExpressFront.jpg (6.75K)
Number of downloads: 41 Doppelmayr:  BirdsOfPreyExpressFront.jpg (14.87K)
Number of downloads: 49

And here are the sides:
Poma:  WhitePeakExpressSide.jpg (10.25K)
Number of downloads: 47 Doppelmayr:  BirdsOfPreyExpressSide.jpg (12.59K)
Number of downloads: 38

I think Doppelmayr kind of copied Poma's design.

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[pomafr]

Skier123, on 06 September 2009 - 08:38 PM, said:

You're right, and that would make sense, considering those models were built in the same year as the unknown one.

Did you not read my previous post?

[Skier123]

pomafr, on 06 September 2009 - 11:05 PM, said:

Did you not read my previous post?

The lift that Skier was talking about does not have a name, according to this website. I was saying that they are possibly the same model, or at least that it was the American version of the Performant. The two lifts do look quite similar.

[DonaldMReif]

One of the easiest clues to help you know that the two Colorado examples (Falcon SuperChair and High Lonesome Express) are converted lifts is this: the hold-down towers at the bottom.





These "gantry" towers, where the sheaves are mounted to a gantry, are like those seen at loading areas on 1980s Poma fixed grip lifts: