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Started by Peter, Mar 16 2009 01:56 PM

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#1 Peter

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 01:56 PM

Here are some pictures from Black Mountain, a small nonprofit ski area in Rumford, Maine.

The Summit Triple:

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 02:01 PM

The Novice double, which was installed used in 2002.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 02:06 PM

The T-Bar, which was the only lift until the 2 chairlifts were added recently. I can't identify the manufacturer and I don't see it in the SAM surveys. Anyone know the brand of this lift?

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 03:12 PM

Now I'm no professional at this and I'm really just going off photos, surveys and such so if you keep that in mind I'm really beginning to think that that T Bar is a Hall. Hall, Stadeli, Poma and Alpine all installed T-Bars in Maine, now granted that doesn't mean something couldn't come used from outside but, especially comparing the picture of the tensioning terminal to another tensioning terminal of a Hall J Bar they seem incredibly similar which is what led me to believe that this may in fact be a Hall.

Having said that however I'm kind of hoping it's an Alpine so I can get more information on that manufacture. lol

Anyway great pictures and looks like a great little resort!
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Posted 16 March 2009 - 03:22 PM

View Posticeberg210, on Mar 16 2009, 07:12 PM, said:

Now I'm no professional at this and I'm really just going off photos, surveys and such so if you keep that in mind I'm really beginning to think that that T Bar is a Hall. Hall, Stadeli, Poma and Alpine all installed T-Bars in Maine, now granted that doesn't mean something couldn't come used from outside but, especially comparing the picture of the tensioning terminal to another tensioning terminal of a Hall J Bar they seem incredibly similar which is what led me to believe that this may in fact be a Hall.

Having said that however I'm kind of hoping it's an Alpine so I can get more information on that manufacture. lol

Anyway great pictures and looks like a great little resort!


I don't know what brand that t-bar is but I am 100% certain that it isn't a hall.
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Posted 16 March 2009 - 03:38 PM

I don't think it's any of those Erik. I do believe it was built in 1962 though if that helps anyone.
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Posted 16 March 2009 - 04:24 PM

View Postskiersage, on Mar 16 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

I don't know what brand that t-bar is but I am 100% certain that it isn't a hall.


And as we can see I'm no pro at this. Lol...

Hm... I doubt it's a Dopp, and it's definitely not a Borvig, so it has to be a smaller company (which means harder to figure out of course). I know Constam built lots of TBAR's years ago, but that might be even before this lift was built.

It's too bad it wasn't built one year later as that would get it into the lift survey. However the real big overview page (now that might just be chairlifts but even at that it might help) shows the following companies active in 1962 (before if we assume it's a relocated lift, although that seems unlikely given the time.

Borvig, Brandle, Carlevaro Savio, Constam, Hall, Heron, Mueller, Pohlig, Poma, Riblet, Roebling, Stadeli, St. Lawrence, Telecar, and Tiegle were all active at the right time I think.

I don't think it's a Borvig since it doesn't look anything like one, Brandle seemed to stay mainly out on the west coast, as per 1963 survey, although I had seen it mentioned that Brandle might be of Swiss origin whether that helps or not I'm not sure, :rolleyes: . Brandle it appears did install both some chairs and some T Bars so they are a possibility. Most of the ones installed in 1963 were in California so maybe the California guys could give us some reference there. Carlevaro Savio I believe was mainly focused on Gondolas as well as some chairs. I didn't see any T Bars that they installed in the survey, but I could have missed them. Constam might be a very likely shot as they built TBars all over Europe and America so if I had to bet any money on this that's where I'd put it.

We already killed the Hall idea, and Heron seemed not to be making many if any T Bars at that time if the 63 and 64 surveys are anything to go off of. Mueller is a possibility as they were building most any lift imaginable around that time (gondola, double, T bar etc) so that could be another possibility. Pohilg is unlikely as they only built one lift on record in 62 and they were soon after bought out by PHB I believe plus I don't see any other evidence of them, ie no 63 installs of anything, so they seem unlikely. Poma seems like an option although I don't know what they look like and I would assume with as popular as they were that we may have already identified it if it were a Poma. Plus Poma may have been only making Pomalifts back then and chairs as evidenced again by the 60's surveys. Riblet didn't make any TBar's to my knowledge, but I may be dead wrong.

It could be a Roebling, and while it could be a Stadeli it just doesn't look much like one it seems to me. St. Lawerence is another possibility because although they seem to be based in the Midwest they did have some success on the East (does anyone know if St. Lawerence lifts are related to the modern day St. Lawerence Hydrualics in Michigan? by the way)

Telecar was Poma having the licensing rights to Calevaro Savio's stuff so I bet that isn't it, and while Tiegel was on again off again they seemed to stick to the west coast, and being HQed near San Francisco that does make some sense.

Larchmount seems to be around then as well in the T Bar industry and so does Doppelmayr, but that lift doesn't look much like a Doppelmayr to me. However I again could be dead wrong like I was before on the Hall guess.

Anyway hope this helps, and hope you don't get too bored reading it.
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Posted 24 March 2009 - 08:07 AM

The sheaves on the return terminal are telling me Roebling. The sheaves are a close match to Sunapee's '62 Duckling double, which is a Roebling. The towers puzzle me a bit.
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 09:11 AM

Skier why dont you just call up the area and ask? Surely the lift monkeys know......
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