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[Kicking Horse]

I have a few questions, however this topic is to not turn into a bashing topic for the brands. Or a debate about which is better. This hopefully will turn into a useful topic for future lift operation staff.


1.What are the main differences that a lift operator sees on the Leitner-Poma lifts and Doppelmayr Ctec lifts?

2.From a Lift Tech point of view Which is easier to work on?

3. Any tips for lift operators on either Doppelmayr Ctec or Leitner-Poma lifts to make it easier for them?


Thanks guys. Let's keep it clean in here.

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Kicking Horse, on Nov 2 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

I have a few questions, however this topic is to not turn into a bashing topic for the brands. Or a debate about which is better. This hopefully will turn into a useful topic for future lift operation staff.


1.What are the main differences that a lift operator sees on the Leitner-Poma lifts and Doppelmayr Ctec lifts?

A little different format on the versa views, dopp/c-tech uses a remote station ready signal to enable the start.. some use cutler hammer buttons others use allan bradly , some use square d

2.From a Lift Tech point of view Which is easier to work on?


Ford? Chevy ? Toyota ? Honda? all good product brands different flavors. Just depends on what you are used to.

3. Any tips for lift operators on either Doppelmayr Ctec or Leitner-Poma lifts to make it easier for them?


Follow directions and area/ manufacturer procedures.


Thanks guys. Let's keep it clean in here.

[Kicking Horse]

So based on the lack of responses there is nothing different? Surely there is.....

[Aussierob]

From the operator standpoint there is not mcuh different. A few controls and sequences are a little different, but for the most part they are quite similar. We have Doppelmayt, Poma and CTEC controls and it's just a question of getting familiar with them. Personally I like Doppplemayrs "ready" system as an extra level of safety, but its personal preference really.

My operator tip of the day is maintain your ramp. A little TLC frequently will make your day go better and you will be in the bar quicker if you don't have to spend an hour at the end of the day fixing it.

[Kicking Horse]

I hate it when I'm skiing in the ramps are not maintained during the day. So one of my goals is to have the perfect ramp all day long. ;)

[Lift Dinosaur]

Horse-
I think you need to move this to the board above if you really want some "experienced" answers.

$0.02
Dino

[Kicking Horse]

Lift Dinosaur, on Nov 6 2008, 08:14 PM, said:

Horse-
I think you need to move this to the board above if you really want some "experienced" answers.

$0.02
Dino

I would love to. However I'm not a member of the Industry group at the moment.

[Lift Dinosaur]

Ah Ha. I hadn't noticed the change...

Dino

[skisox34]

I worked L-P's but have only had a tour of the Dopp-ctec's. One thing I noticed was that the L-P's seems to be more spacious in the terminal and things are more readily accessable. As an op at Killington we had to do basic rollback system tests every morning and the manual lifting of the service brake On the Poma's we had was simple, straightforward and relitively easy.

The more expirienced ops like myself were also trained to run the evac engines and as far as I could tell the Poma system has one of the fastest aux/ evac engine changeover systems, although the only other kinds I had expirience with were Heron-Poma, Yan and Hall. I thought the pedestal controls and and main control panels were very user friendly though the newbie op would more than not press the E-Stop instead of the service stop. I look at the Dopp panels at sugarbush and the dial thing just looks weird.

I don't know if that helps you or not *shrug*

[Kicking Horse]

It helps a bit.

[skiareatragic]

having worked on various lifts of various vintage , i think the key for lift op training is consistancy.
there is no sense in moving staff thru lifts and expecting them to understand the nuances of each lift, without letting them spend time at them.
controls, sounds, feel, all are important in being able to operate the lift efficiently and be able to pick up problems in the early stages.
a feel of ownership of a lift on the Ops dept side instills a pride in product and healthy competition between lifts and lift areas

[Kicking Horse]

skiareatragic, on 01 August 2009 - 03:22 PM, said:

having worked on various lifts of various vintage , i think the key for lift op training is consistancy.
there is no sense in moving staff thru lifts and expecting them to understand the nuances of each lift, without letting them spend time at them.
controls, sounds, feel, all are important in being able to operate the lift efficiently and be able to pick up problems in the early stages.
a feel of ownership of a lift on the Ops dept side instills a pride in product and healthy competition between lifts and lift areas

I agree with you 100%.

[2milehi]

Doppelmayr - a momentary push of the start button starts the lift.

Poma - a maintained push of the start button (~4 seconds) is needed to start the lift.

[Kicking Horse]

All the Dopps that I ran you had to press and hold the start button for 4 secs. Maybe it's a code thing in Colorado?

[2milehi]

All the lifts at Keystone use to start with a momentary push except Ruby (a Poma). The inspectors were fine with the instant start. The code states that the start bell rings for at least 2 seconds after the lift starts to move.

[Kicking Horse]

2milehi, on 04 August 2009 - 07:32 PM, said:

All the lifts at Keystone use to start with a momentary push except Ruby (a Poma). The inspectors were fine with the instant start. The code states that the start bell rings for at least 2 seconds after the lift starts to move.

Hmm If i'm not mistaken the tramway code states that the start bell shall ring for a min of 2 secs BEFORE the lift starts...

Correct me if i'm wrong please.

[Lift Dinosaur]

ANSI B77.1-2006 (3.2.10) and CPTSB 3.1.1.12 require "...After the start button is pressed, the warning device shall sound for a minimum of 2 seconds before the lift starts, and shall continue until the ropeway begins to move...."
Hope this helps.

Dino

[Skier123]

Aussierob, on 06 November 2008 - 06:18 AM, said:

Personally I like Doppplemayrs "ready" system as an extra level of safety, but its personal preference really.

Is the "ready system" when the lift attendants at each station have to push the "ring" button before they start the lift? If so, I think Garaventa CTEC used that system before they merged with Dopplemayr.

[lastchair_44]

No, the ready system is a start acknowledge button I believe? But you are right, CTEC did have Start Acknowledge buttons on their detachables before the merger.

[Kicking Horse]

On the VX. the station that hit the stop has to give a reset. And I have to reset at the top. then Each station does 2 beeps to say they are "clear for start". However Mid station had a habit of not beeping and ended up getting some very nasty phone calls from both me and the bottom team lead.

Once I have clear from all stations I fire her up.