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#1 northeastskier

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 04:26 AM

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`Has anyone ever seen chairs like these? I found them on Dopplemayer's worldbook and was wondering if any of you had seen it before? Why are they like this anyway?

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 07:48 AM

There are none of these lifts operating in the United States, however Squaw Valley had one awhile back. It operated as a jig-back tram, with only 2 clusters of chairs that went back and forth like an aerial tram. I think the ones in Europe are used mostly for lifts where the views are excellent and capacity is not a high priority. The side-facing chairs load like gondolas, not like typical chairlifts.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 07:55 AM

View PostSkier, on Jun 25 2008, 08:48 AM, said:

There are none of these lifts operating in the United States, however Squaw Valley had one awhile back. It operated as a jig-back tram, with only 2 clusters of chairs that went back and forth like an aerial tram. I think the ones in Europe are used mostly for lifts where the views are excellent and capacity is not a high priority. The side-facing chairs load like gondolas, not like typical chairlifts.


Do they stop in the terminal or just go slow to load?

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 07:59 AM

It depends. The Squaw Valley ones did because they changed directions and never went around the bullwheel. The ones on that lift you showed a picture of just go through the terminals slowly with the gondolas.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 08:10 AM

View PostSkier, on Jun 25 2008, 07:59 AM, said:

It depends. The Squaw Valley ones did because they changed directions and never went around the bullwheel. The ones on that lift you showed a picture of just go through the terminals slowly with the gondolas.



Do you have any pictures of any terminals?

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 01:56 PM

The side-facing chairs were originally built by Von Roll as an open-air skyride rather than a gondola. There were 6 or 7 of these (all in Switzerland) and they were built primarily during the 50s. That said, they were the first detachable chairlifts in the world. I don't currently have any pictures of the original ones, but I'll look around on http://www.seilbahnbilder.ch/ and http://www.lift-world.info/ for any pictures. (You can too.) Lift Dino's avatar (it's small and hard to see) is also a side-facing detachable chair.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 02:22 PM

Okay so here's a few...

http://www.seilbahnt...s/380/datas.htm

http://www.seilbahnt...s/412/datas.htm

http://www.seilbahnt...s/411/datas.htm

And a video!!
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=j_BC4eLVOFk
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 03:15 PM

View Postskierdude9450, on Jun 25 2008, 03:22 PM, said:



I see! Great Links! I noticed that it goes very slow in the terminals to go on line! Also, is von-roll the only one that made these?

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 04:01 PM

Until this year, yes. The one in the worldbook replaced the first link.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 05:29 PM

It's my guess that these load sideways as well because the tower clearance is then smaller with the gondolas and sideways facing cars as opposed to gondolas with regular chairs, which would have required wider crossarms.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 05:48 PM

View Postskier2, on Jun 25 2008, 05:29 PM, said:

It's my guess that these load sideways as well because the tower clearance is then smaller with the gondolas and sideways facing cars as opposed to gondolas with regular chairs, which would have required wider crossarms.



how can you load sideways

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 05:56 PM

As I said above twice already, they load like gondolas. Skiers take their skis off, put them in the racks, and sit down.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 07:04 PM

World's first detachable monocable aerial ropeway - Flims, Switzerland 1945. Manufacturer unknown.
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Squaw Valley, Ca Jigback side loading chairlift (Bi-cable) circa mid 1960's. When I arrived in 1971, only the foundations remained. The top terminal was located to service the face of Headwall and the North Bowl. Manufacturer unknown.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 07:37 PM

Dino should be able to translate this............

Der grosse Seilbahnboom nach 1945

Die neue Epoche nach dem Krieg wurde gleich mit einer zukunftsweisenden Neuheit eingeleitet: Am 16. Dez. 1945 nahm in Flims die erste kuppelbare Sesselbahn der Welt ihren Betrieb auf. Bei den ersten Sesselliften von Henri Sameli-Huber mussten die Fahrgäste noch auf die sich ständig in Bewegung befindenden Sessel aufsitzen, was eine entsprechend kleine Fahrgeschwindigkeit von 1,2 m/sec. bedingte. Die Firma Von Roll in Bern mit ihrem Konstrukteur Paul Zuberbühler ermöglichte nun mit dem Abkuppeln der Sessel vom Förderseil in den Stationen das gefahrlose Ein- und Aussteigen bei völligem Stillstand. Dadurch konnte auf der Strecke mit einer höheren Geschwindigkeit (2,5 m/sec.) gefahren werden, was zusammen mit den Sesseln für zwei Personen eine für die damalige Zeit respektable Förderleistung ergab. Das Typische an den Sesseln in Stahlrohrkonstruktion war, dass sie mit einem Schutzdach gegen herabtropfendes Oel versehen und die Sitze quer zur Fahrtrichtung angeordnet waren. Ausserdem konnte als einfacher Wetterschutz eine am Dach in Fahrtrichtung vorne befestigte Blache ausgerollt werden. Die patentierten automatischen Klemmen waren als kombinierte Feder- und Schwerkraftkupplungen konstruiert. Bei einem allfälligen Bruch der Feder war auch an der steilsten Stelle der Strecke kein Abrutschen der Klemmmen auf dem Seil zu befürchten und während der Fahrt waren die Kupplungen durch einen besonderen Arretierhebel verriegelt. Ausserdem wurde bei der Stationsausfahrt der korrekte Kuppelvorgang automatisch überwacht. Da infolge der Kriegswirtschaft das Eisen noch stark rationiert war, mussten die Seiltragmasten für diese erste Von Roll-Sesselbahn durch örtliche Holzbaufirmen aus Lärchenholz gezimmert werden. Bereits im Jahre 1946 konnten gleich drei weitere Anlagen nach dem System von Roll in Betrieb gehen: Am 2. Feb. die Sesselbahn Gstaad-Wasserngrat (2 Sektionen), am 14. Aug. jene von Beatenberg auf das Niederhorn (2 Sektionen) und am 28. Dez. die ersten zwei Abschnitte der insgesamt vier Sektionen umfassenden Firstbahn in Grindelwald. Neu war, dass bei all diesen Bahnen ohne Umsteigen auf den Zwischenstationen beide Sektionen im gleichen Sessel befahren werden konnten. Am 8. Feb. 1947 konnte die zweite Sektion zur Alp Naraus als Fortsetzung der Flimser Bahn eröffnet werden und am 28. Feb. wurden noch die zwei restlichen Abschnitte der Firstbahn vollendet. Damit war die Sesselbahn Grindelwald-First mit ihren 4354 m Länge und 1105 m Höhenunterschied die längste kuppelbare Sesselbahn der Welt. Insgesamt baute die Firma Von Roll 13 Anlagen (mit einer oder mehreren Sektionen) nach ihrem System in der Schweiz; die letzte war die Plattjenbahn in Saas Fee von 1963. Hier kamen aber statt der Sessel 2er-Gondeln zum Einsatz, deren Sitze ebenfalls quer zur Fahrtrichtung angeordnet waren. Diese Kabinenbahn wurde im Sommer 1999 durch einen Neubau ersetzt.

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Abb.1: Die erste kuppelbare Sesselbahn der Welt, Flims-Foppa von 1945, bei der Talstation in Flims Dorf. Abb.2: Bau der Sesselbahn Flims-Foppa: Montagearbeiten auf Foppa. Die Holzstütze Nr.16 steht bereits, im Hintergrund ist die Stationskonstruktion im Aufbau begriffen. Noch ist vom Gebäude nichts zu sehen. Abb.3: Sesselbahn Grindelwald-First, 4. Sektion.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 08:40 PM

The VonRoll Skyride at Six Flags New England has side-facing chairs. They are interesting, not like the VonRolls in the above pictures, they are metal cages in the shape of spheres.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:31 PM

Any idea what that means anyone? And what language is that in?

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:34 PM

View PostLift Dinosaur, on Jun 25 2008, 07:04 PM, said:

World's first detachable monocable aerial ropeway - Flims, Switzerland 1945. Manufacturer unknown.
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Squaw Valley, Ca Jigback side loading chairlift (Bi-cable) circa mid 1960's. When I arrived in 1971, only the foundations remained. The top terminal was located to service the face of Headwall and the North Bowl. Manufacturer unknown.

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The one at Squaw looks like a Yan lift.

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View Postmikest2, on Jun 25 2008, 09:37 PM, said:

Dino should be able to translate this............

Der grosse Seilbahnboom nach 1945

Die neue Epoche nach dem Krieg wurde gleich mit einer zukunftsweisenden Neuheit eingeleitet: Am 16. Dez. 1945 nahm in Flims die erste kuppelbare Sesselbahn der Welt ihren Betrieb auf. Bei den ersten Sesselliften von Henri Sameli-Huber mussten die Fahrgäste noch auf die sich ständig in Bewegung befindenden Sessel aufsitzen, was eine entsprechend kleine Fahrgeschwindigkeit von 1,2 m/sec. bedingte. Die Firma Von Roll in Bern mit ihrem Konstrukteur Paul Zuberbühler ermöglichte nun mit dem Abkuppeln der Sessel vom Förderseil in den Stationen das gefahrlose Ein- und Aussteigen bei völligem Stillstand. Dadurch konnte auf der Strecke mit einer höheren Geschwindigkeit (2,5 m/sec.) gefahren werden, was zusammen mit den Sesseln für zwei Personen eine für die damalige Zeit respektable Förderleistung ergab. Das Typische an den Sesseln in Stahlrohrkonstruktion war, dass sie mit einem Schutzdach gegen herabtropfendes Oel versehen und die Sitze quer zur Fahrtrichtung angeordnet waren. Ausserdem konnte als einfacher Wetterschutz eine am Dach in Fahrtrichtung vorne befestigte Blache ausgerollt werden. Die patentierten automatischen Klemmen waren als kombinierte Feder- und Schwerkraftkupplungen konstruiert. Bei einem allfälligen Bruch der Feder war auch an der steilsten Stelle der Strecke kein Abrutschen der Klemmmen auf dem Seil zu befürchten und während der Fahrt waren die Kupplungen durch einen besonderen Arretierhebel verriegelt. Ausserdem wurde bei der Stationsausfahrt der korrekte Kuppelvorgang automatisch überwacht. Da infolge der Kriegswirtschaft das Eisen noch stark rationiert war, mussten die Seiltragmasten für diese erste Von Roll-Sesselbahn durch örtliche Holzbaufirmen aus Lärchenholz gezimmert werden. Bereits im Jahre 1946 konnten gleich drei weitere Anlagen nach dem System von Roll in Betrieb gehen: Am 2. Feb. die Sesselbahn Gstaad-Wasserngrat (2 Sektionen), am 14. Aug. jene von Beatenberg auf das Niederhorn (2 Sektionen) und am 28. Dez. die ersten zwei Abschnitte der insgesamt vier Sektionen umfassenden Firstbahn in Grindelwald. Neu war, dass bei all diesen Bahnen ohne Umsteigen auf den Zwischenstationen beide Sektionen im gleichen Sessel befahren werden konnten. Am 8. Feb. 1947 konnte die zweite Sektion zur Alp Naraus als Fortsetzung der Flimser Bahn eröffnet werden und am 28. Feb. wurden noch die zwei restlichen Abschnitte der Firstbahn vollendet. Damit war die Sesselbahn Grindelwald-First mit ihren 4354 m Länge und 1105 m Höhenunterschied die längste kuppelbare Sesselbahn der Welt. Insgesamt baute die Firma Von Roll 13 Anlagen (mit einer oder mehreren Sektionen) nach ihrem System in der Schweiz; die letzte war die Plattjenbahn in Saas Fee von 1963. Hier kamen aber statt der Sessel 2er-Gondeln zum Einsatz, deren Sitze ebenfalls quer zur Fahrtrichtung angeordnet waren. Diese Kabinenbahn wurde im Sommer 1999 durch einen Neubau ersetzt.

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Abb.1: Die erste kuppelbare Sesselbahn der Welt, Flims-Foppa von 1945, bei der Talstation in Flims Dorf. Abb.2: Bau der Sesselbahn Flims-Foppa: Montagearbeiten auf Foppa. Die Holzstütze Nr.16 steht bereits, im Hintergrund ist die Stationskonstruktion im Aufbau begriffen. Noch ist vom Gebäude nichts zu sehen. Abb.3: Sesselbahn Grindelwald-First, 4. Sektion.

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http://www.seilbahn-...geschichte.html



or I can....



The big cable car boom after 1945

The new era after the war was the same with a forward-looking novelty launched on 16 December 1945 in Flims, the first detachable chairlift in the world are operating. For the first chair lift by Henri Sameli-Huber had the passengers still on the constantly moving chair aufsitzen located, according to what a small driving speed of 1.2 m / sec. conditional. The company Von Roll in Bern with their designer Paul Zuberbühler possible now with the disconnection of the chair of the conveyor stations in the safe entry and exit in complete standstill. This allowed on the route with a higher speed (2.5 m / sec.) Driven, which together with the chairs for two persons for the time showed respectable flow. The Typical of the armchairs in steel pipe construction was that they have a protective umbrella against herabtropfendes Oil, and the seats perpendicular to the direction trip. In addition, weather protection as a simple one on the roof in the direction of travel front fortified Blache out. The patented automatic terminals were as a combined spring and gravity designed couplings. In a possible breakthrough of the spring was also at the office of the steepest stretch of Klemmmen no slipping on the rope to fear and during the trip were the clutches of a special Arretierhebel locked. It was at the station exit the correct dome is automatically monitored. Since the war economy, the iron was still rationed, had to Seiltragmasten for this first Von Roll-chair lift by local timber companies from larch wood timbered. Already in 1946 were three other facilities under the system of rolling into operation: On 2 Feb. chair lift the Gstaad-Wasserngrat (2 sections), 14 Aug. those of Beatenberg in the Lower Horn (2 sections) and 28 Dec. first two sections of the four sections comprehensive First Railway in Grindelwald. New was that all these without having to change trains at the intermediate stations both sections in the same chair could be engaged. On 8 Feb. 1947, the second section to the Alp Naraus Flims as a continuation of the railway will be opened and 28 Feb. were the two remaining sections of the First Railway completed. This was the chair lift Grindelwald-First with its 4354 m long and 1105 m altitude difference is the longest detachable chairlift in the world. Overall, the company built 13 plants Von Roll (with one or more sections) after their system in Switzerland, the last was the Plattjenbahn in Saas Fee of 1963. Here came but instead of the chair-2s gondolas used their seats also perpendicular to the direction trip. The cable car was in the summer of 1999 by a new building.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 01:41 PM

View PostKicking Horse, on Jun 26 2008, 02:37 PM, said:

or I can....



The big cable car boom after 1945

The new era after the war was the same with a forward-looking novelty launched on 16 December 1945 in Flims, the first detachable chairlift in the world are operating. For the first chair lift by Henri Sameli-Huber had the passengers still on the constantly moving chair aufsitzen located, according to what a small driving speed of 1.2 m / sec. conditional. The company Von Roll in Bern with their designer Paul Zuberbühler possible now with the disconnection of the chair of the conveyor stations in the safe entry and exit in complete standstill. This allowed on the route with a higher speed (2.5 m / sec.) Driven, which together with the chairs for two persons for the time showed respectable flow. The Typical of the armchairs in steel pipe construction was that they have a protective umbrella against herabtropfendes Oil, and the seats perpendicular to the direction trip. In addition, weather protection as a simple one on the roof in the direction of travel front fortified Blache out. The patented automatic terminals were as a combined spring and gravity designed couplings. In a possible breakthrough of the spring was also at the office of the steepest stretch of Klemmmen no slipping on the rope to fear and during the trip were the clutches of a special Arretierhebel locked. It was at the station exit the correct dome is automatically monitored. Since the war economy, the iron was still rationed, had to Seiltragmasten for this first Von Roll-chair lift by local timber companies from larch wood timbered. Already in 1946 were three other facilities under the system of rolling into operation: On 2 Feb. chair lift the Gstaad-Wasserngrat (2 sections), 14 Aug. those of Beatenberg in the Lower Horn (2 sections) and 28 Dec. first two sections of the four sections comprehensive First Railway in Grindelwald. New was that all these without having to change trains at the intermediate stations both sections in the same chair could be engaged. On 8 Feb. 1947, the second section to the Alp Naraus Flims as a continuation of the railway will be opened and 28 Feb. were the two remaining sections of the First Railway completed. This was the chair lift Grindelwald-First with its 4354 m long and 1105 m altitude difference is the longest detachable chairlift in the world. Overall, the company built 13 plants Von Roll (with one or more sections) after their system in Switzerland, the last was the Plattjenbahn in Saas Fee of 1963. Here came but instead of the chair-2s gondolas used their seats also perpendicular to the direction trip. The cable car was in the summer of 1999 by a new building.


Thanks Kicking Horse!

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 05:49 PM

View Postskierdude9450, on Jun 25 2008, 10:56 PM, said:

The side-facing chairs were originally built by Von Roll as an open-air skyride rather than a gondola. There were 6 or 7 of these (all in Switzerland) and they were built primarily during the 50s. That said, they were the first detachable chairlifts in the world. I don't currently have any pictures of the original ones, but I'll look around on http://www.seilbahnbilder.ch/ and http://www.lift-world.info/ for any pictures. (You can too.) Lift Dino's avatar (it's small and hard to see) is also a side-facing detachable chair.


GMD Mueller built two side facing detachable double chairlifts in Scotland, UK on CairnGorm Mountain. The first (White Lady Chairlift) opened on Dec 24th 1961 and the second in 1967. The White Lady Chairlift last operated on 16th April 2001 and was replaced by a funicular which opened on 24th Dec 2001 - 40years to the day that the old chairlift opened.

Take a look through the 2001 CairnGorm photos on www.winterhighland.info for some photos of the lifts.

These chairs came to a complete stop (briefly) for both loading and unloading. The pylons on the chairlift were for forwards facing chairs - the use of side facing carriers was to fulfil two conditions 1) the lift had to be as easy to use by walkers as skiers and more importantly 2) cope with high cross winds. The chairs had extra clearance from the pylons in cross winds and were largely unaffected by head winds.





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