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[Kicking Horse]

Ron Paul was a great candidate. I dont like any of the options that America has now..... That's why I'm cutting ties with the usa.

[tahoeistruckin]

Snoqualmie guy, on Jun 7 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

Isn't it a little late for him? I think McCain is the most prepared for the job.

Please,,, not 8 more years of bush

[Kicking Horse]

mjturley34, on Jun 7 2008, 01:35 PM, said:

Are you giving up your US citizenship ? If you cut all ties with the USA will you continue to use this site ? It's based in the USA ?

No, I mean I wont come back to live... I'll ahve to come back and visit but whatever. I'm done living in the Land of the "free". (which it's not).

[floridaskier]

This year will be my first time voting. I'm picking Obama, just because I don't want another 4-8 years of what we've just gone through. I liked Ron Paul too, but I hope he doesnt end up running as an independent, because it will just help McCain.

On a side note, I once saw Al Gore at Deer Valley. Bill Clinton's been there too, but he hurt his knee or something and didn't ski. So has Hillary. Maybe the place is cursed, Obama should stay away until after the election

[Bill]

I did a fireworks show for Bill Gates, Bill & Hillary Clinton... nice people.

[k2skier]

Callao, on Jun 5 2008, 05:01 PM, said:

Holy crap. This is turning into another political whining session. Being critical is very rewarding, I understand. When I am critical, I lead others to believe that I am wise, and know of a better way. But I can never deliver. I don't think you can either--all I hear is whining, and no solutions.

I don't think being critical is rewarding, sometimes stating facts can seem critical to some who support the person in question. What has Bush done that was a positive? What has he done to get an "atta boy"? By taking the most vacation time of any president in history? By invoking fear into the American people that all Muslims are terrorists, which in itself is an act of terrorism by definition of the Patriot Act. Enlighten me on his high marks.

[Peter]

I will be voting for Obama in my first presidential election. What makes me most frustrated about the Bush years is how much our standing in the world has dropped. Also the healthcare issue is huge to me. How can it be in the richest country in America that so many people can not afford basic healthcare? Bush has done absolutely nothing about it and McCain was quoted the other day as saying "Americans need to just walk 30 minutes a day and these ailments will go away."

This post has been edited by Skier: 09 July 2008 - 06:46 PM

[chasl]

Skier, on Jun 10 2008, 01:08 PM, said:

I will be voting for Obama in my first presidential election. What makes me most frustrated about the Bush years is how much our standing in the world has dropped. Also the healthcare issue is huge to me. Someone in my family has a disease which makes him sick often. He is just out of college and if he is sick he can't work and loses insurance coverage. One medicine alone costs him $15,000 a month. How can it be in the richest country in America that so many people can not afford basic healthcare? Bush has done absolutely nothing about it and McCain was quoted the other day as saying "Americans need to just walk 30 minutes a day and these ailments will go away."

Well I am sorry about the person in your family, but 15,000.00 per month for a medicine is not basic health care.
I do not know if there is a way for everyone to get the health care you guy’s are talking about. Everyone talks about the Canadian system, truly in Canada when you hire someone you have to provide a supplemental health care for the workers that costs as much as it does here in the US, so no big benefit there. Plus the Canadian government takes approximately 45% of your paycheck Is that what you are looking for?

In Europe, tax’s run around the same as in Canada maybe a little more. Also you have to remember the system in Canada and Europe, have been running this way forever. The upfront cost for the US to start this, is going to be astronomical at best, I really do not think the US tax payer is ready for this.
All the politicians say they will cut this and cut that to make up the funds! Have you ever seen the government cut like this? NO and it wont happen now. Probably 50 to 60 percent of the lawmakers in Washington are backed by special interest groups; this is where the big money is going.
How do you stop it with the same old people in there? Remember in reality, the President does not run the country, congress and the senate do. The president now has a little Veto power but that only goes so far.
By the way I really do not know which way I am voting yet, other than by Absentee ballot. I need to see a little more substance from both party’s first before I can make a decision.

Now if you want to talk about Tort reform and stop all of the frivolous lawsuits here in the US maybe prices can come down on things, Great, but when lawyers go on TV and say, did this happen to you or did this happen when your child was born, call us dewwe cheatam and how we can get you money. Prices will stay up there as long as the average American looks for the easy dollar. When companies are hit for multi million dollar lawsuits, who do you think pays for those? We do in the end, so when your neighbor say’s they are going to sue so an so, Thank them for me.

[Callao]

k2skier, on Jun 10 2008, 11:10 AM, said:

I don't think being critical is rewarding, sometimes stating facts can seem critical to some who support the person in question. What has Bush done that was a positive? What has he done to get an "atta boy"? By taking the most vacation time of any president in history? By invoking fear into the American people that all Muslims are terrorists, which in itself is an act of terrorism by definition of the Patriot Act. Enlighten me on his high marks.

Again, k2skier, review the thread and see that I have not yet taken a stand on this issue. So why do you want me to support your current president? How about you enlighten me on his "high marks."

[chasl]

Callao, on Jun 10 2008, 03:07 PM, said:

Again, k2skier, review the thread and see that I have not yet taken a stand on this issue. So why do you want me to support your current president? How about you enlighten me on his "high marks."

Well I am not K2, but everyone got exactly what we voted for, President Bush stated exactly what he was going to do, and he has followed through, he did not flip flop like the prior president did. He has done what no president has done before he called an ace an ace and gave us an ace. We may not like the situation we are in now, but we are not the only country to blame for the economy the world market has a big hand in it.
And if we must be in a war with radicals I would rather it be in another country than my home town, wouldn’t you. By the way we did not kill the thousands of people in NY someone else did, do we just turn our cheek, and take it again because someone does not like our way of life?

[Callao]

chasl, on Jun 10 2008, 02:45 PM, said:

Well I am not K2, but everyone got exactly what we voted for, President Bush stated exactly what he was going to do, and he has followed through, he did not flip flop like the prior president did. He has done what no president has done before he called an ace an ace and gave us an ace. We may not like the situation we are in now, but we are not the only country to blame for the economy the world market has a big hand in it.
And if we must be in a war with radicals I would rather it be in another country than my home town, wouldn’t you. By the way we did not kill the thousands of people in NY someone else did, do we just turn our cheek, and take it again because someone does not like our way of life?

Thank you, chasl. I think we take all the great things in life for granted, particularly, our government. Although riddled with flaws, and staffed by imperfect people, it still has to be one of the best (if not the greatest) governments in the world. Being the Roman Empire of the world comes at a great cost and really provides the greatest freedom available. For those who do not see this, perhaps moving to a different country for awhile is a good idea. You may learn more about what it means to have freedom, or a good government, than you would here.

My "being critical" comment was facetious in nature. My point is, if we are willing to challenge the status quo, we need to have (or at least be searching for) an alternative. Complaining without an ounce of action is futile, and irresponsible.

So I support Bush, although I don't like everything the government does. Please don't attack me for being Bush-supporter. We have bigger enemies to deal with right now than Bush-supporters.

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[k2skier]

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11 or WMD's. If you believe that we are avenging 9-11, then you don't see the forest through the tree's. The war is about money, power, greed and illegal weapons sales.

Why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia if 15 out of 19 hi-jackers were Saudi? Serious answer please. And do you really think we can't find Osama? Of course we can't, he has royal Saudi blood in him, (yes, I know he's been ousted by the Royal Saudi family), BUT if we kill Osama then the Royal Saudi family will be vengeful against the US and the people that hurts the most is the Bush family who have a long and sordid history with the Royal Saudi family.
For more info, read "House of Bush-House of Saud" by Craig Unger. President Bush is a corrupt, criminal terrorist, and so is Cheney.

On not flip flopping; if your wrong it's OK to change your mind and president Bush has made many impeachable offenses. It goes beyond standing ones ground, it has to do with morals and ethics, something George W Bush doesn't have.

And 9-11 is another perfect example of why religion and politics don't mix. There were no Atheists hi-jacking the planes. And now most closed minded Americans associate Muslim and terrorists as being the same thing, sad, very sad, especially when the Koran and Bible parallel each other very closely. All of these prejudice thoughts were escalated by our President, so he could execute executive power.

chasl, on Jun 10 2008, 01:45 PM, said:

Well I am not K2, but everyone got exactly what we voted for...

Well, both elections were very close and both had questionable issues, so maybe 45-50% got what they "thought" they wanted, now Bush's ratings are tanking, so maybe we didn't get what we wanted after all.

[tahoeistruckin]

k2skier, on Jun 10 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

Well, both elections were very close and both had questionable issues, so maybe 45-50% got what they "thought" they wanted, now Bush's ratings are tanking, so maybe we didn't get what we wanted after all.

Mission Accomplished as per Bush's speech on board the USS Abraham Lincoln , Yet over 3,000 brave sons, daughters, moms and dads won't be coming home.
The Middle East has been fighting amongest themselves for thousands of years. Yet why did Bush think he could change it. Ah G.w They will still be fighting after you leave on forced retirement. We got who you wanted, we should of left post haste.
We know where Bin Laden is, yet our so called allies in Pakastan refuse to allow us to go get him.
Now Iran comes up and thier nuclear program. If Mcain gets in, guess who we will be invading next. And you think the price oil is high now. If we invade Iran, get ready to walk to work, church and school, and using treadmills to power a lift.

Yup 8 more years of bush.

[Callao]

k2skier, on Jun 10 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11 or WMD's. If you believe that we are avenging 9-11, then you don't see the forest through the tree's. The war is about money, power, greed and illegal weapons sales.

Why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia if 15 out of 19 hi-jackers were Saudi? Serious answer please. And do you really think we can't find Osama? Of course we can't, he has royal Saudi blood in him, (yes, I know he's been ousted by the Royal Saudi family), BUT if we kill Osama then the Royal Saudi family will be vengeful against the US and the people that hurts the most is the Bush family who have a long and sordid history with the Royal Saudi family.
For more info, read "House of Bush-House of Saud" by Craig Unger. President Bush is a corrupt, criminal terrorist, and so is Cheney.

On not flip flopping; if your wrong it's OK to change your mind and president Bush has made many impeachable offenses. It goes beyond standing ones ground, it has to do with morals and ethics, something George W Bush doesn't have.

And 9-11 is another perfect example of why religion and politics don't mix. There were no Atheists hi-jacking the planes. And now most closed minded Americans associate Muslim and terrorists as being the same thing, sad, very sad, especially when the Koran and Bible parallel each other very closely. All of these prejudice thoughts were escalated by our President, so he could execute executive power.

Wonderful. Well, if any of you still want to persuade me to agree with your political ideas, or convert my to your religion or whatever, feel free to PM me. I love a good personal message.

[Skiing#1]

Pres. Bush knew the planes hit World Tower Center, and secret contractions planned that in 3 years. I read book "9-11 Terror in America" by author David M. Bresnahan. Real people worked in WTC, firemen, and police tell their stories which it is real media more than news and newspapers. I said wow. On 93th floor, one man sat behind his desk and faced the big window. He saw the plane flew right into the building. He crawled under his desk, he heard a real loud noise then water sprinkle turned on, debras flew over, he and his co workers ran to down the stairs all way to the basement, it took one hour, then building collopased. They crawled into tunnel to other building to get out. They were alive. Policemen said that some people walked around and looked for money, watch, jewelaries, etc. that they took them to the jail right away. Firemen said that their clothes were bad strinked, washed them 6-10 times, never solve problem, threw them away, and washer machine still bad strink. Some people said that they saw bodies were piece aparted. It was terrible.

Last night, I saw CNN news that Osama wears his pin...America flag and Jews flag. (symbol star of David). They think Osama is supporting Jews and Israel.

For me, I don't know who will I vote....next US president.

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[chasl]

Skiing#1, on Jun 10 2008, 11:38 PM, said:

Pres. Bush knew the planes hit World Tower Center, and secret contractions planned that in 3 years. I read book "9-11 Terror in America" by author David M. Bresnahan. Real people worked in WTC, firemen, and police tell their stories which it is real media more than news and newspapers. I said wow. On 93th floor, one man sat behind his desk and faced the big window. He saw the plane flew right into the building. He crawled under his desk, he heard a real loud noise then water sprinkle turned on, debras flew over, he and his co workers ran to down the stairs all way to the basement, it took one hour, then building collopased. They crawled into tunnel to other building to get out. They were alive. Policemen said that some people walked around and looked for money, watch, jewelaries, etc. that they took them to the jail right away. Firemen said that their clothes were bad strinked, washed them 6-10 times, never solve problem, threw them away, and washer machine still bad strink. Some people said that they saw bodies were piece aparted. It was terrible.

Last night, I saw CNN news that Osama wears his pin...America flag and Jews flag. (symbol star of David). They think Osama is supporting Jews and Israel.

For me, I don't know who will I vote....next US president.

Say What! Please rewrite your first sentence so it is understandable, from what I am reading you actually think the US President planned the attacks to kill thousands of people.
I don’t care if you dislike the President, at least be courteous and use real facts.

Ultimately, I feel the US does not understand the mind of the radical Muslim.

I have been in the Middle East now for about a year, and guess what, TRUE Muslims don't either. They do know, that governments of the West do not really understand the infrastructure of the Gulf region. One country balances out another, disrupt one and it has an effect on the rest. But how this region works is very complex and mind boggling. how one country looks and treats another country, at times can be really scary, but it used to work.
For years Iraq kept Iran in check, (in fact they feel Saddam kept the whole Gulf region cohesive) once the head of power was cut off in Iraq, Iran moved forward, even if Saddam was still in jail, here they feel Iran would not have moved forward. The people here also tell me that Yes, Saddam Hussein was a brutal man, but to rule the tribes in his region he had to be.

This post has been edited by chasl: 10 June 2008 - 10:34 PM

[Skiing#1]

it is not my idea. it was from the book and that was what people said. that is all.

[shoemaniii]

misc thoughts from a muddled mind:
i bumped into a guy once that told me the four 9/11 planes were flown by remote control from one location, the idea was to start a war and get all the oil. i got away from that nutjob pretty quickly i can tell you. sad, really.

i decided to vote for whomever will stop these daily patrols in vehicles that are getting blown up by penetrator ied's. let the iraq army run the gauntlet for a change, we need to pull back and offer a supporting role from a remote base. enough!

saddam was interviewed for 7months by a lebanese-born cia operative. saddam stated that he reinforced the illusion of having wmd's to keep the iranian army away and to boost his stature in the region. (he had too many memories of the iraq/iranian war/multi-thousands dead). he thought bush would back down when at his border, but made a mistake in judgement. this from 60minutes a few months ago.

if i voted for hillary was a racist, if i voted for obama i was a sexist, if i voted for mcain i was a bush-supporter.