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[Kicking Horse]

What not to do with a 240,000 dollar machine!!!!

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[SkiBachelor]

Where did this happen Jeff?

Actually, this happens more than you think when they are building the ice roads in the Northwest Territories, Canada.

[Kicking Horse]

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now groomer falls into Cascade Reservoir

05:37 PM MST on Sunday, February 17, 2008

KTVB

CASCADE - The Valley County Sheriff's Office says a snow groomer is stuck in a Central Idaho reservoir and they have no way to get it out.

It happened earlier today in the west side of the Cascade Reservoir.

Valley County dispatchers say the grooming machine traveled 500 feet out on to the ice on Cascade Reservoir and fell through - into the water.

Dispatchers say the heavy machine is carrying diesel fuel but is not leaking any of that fuel at this time.

Currently crews are working to get the machine out of the water.

No one was hurt during the accident.

[SkiBachelor]

I wonder if this cat belongs to Brundage ski area?

[Peter]

or Tamarack?

[SkiBachelor]

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it's owned by the state of Idaho for maintaining recreation trails (snow mobile trails and cross country).

I believe Tamarack has a Prinoth/Camoplast fleet, but I could be wrong.

[Kicking Horse]

From what I understand the state owns it? I could be wrong.

[spunkyskier01]

some one obviously did not see the "warning, this is a very heavy vehicle, do not drive on a body of water" sticker that is posted behind the mirror.

[EagleAce]

How are they gonna get it out???

[zeedotcom]

A floating crane in a few months?

I doubt the ice is even strong enough to wedge the long railroad ties under and start winching it back to creep it back up to the surface.

Maybe break up the ice between there and shore (I don't know the distance) and drag it back?

Somebody isn't going to be happy about the recovery bill, let alone the damage to the cat.

[NoPainNoJane]

If they clear the ice surrounding the cat of all the snow and wait a few days, the ice should get thicker and should be able to support more weight. With the ice able to support more weight, they could then bring in a crane to pick it up and out of the water. Only problem is that by leaving it in the water longer, more ice will be on it and make it heavier for the crane if they pick it up vertically out of the water.

edit: just noticed, but the date on the pictures say they are from 2007

This post has been edited by NoPainNoJane: 19 February 2008 - 02:22 PM

[andyh1962]

NoPainNoJane, on Feb 19 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

If they clear the ice surrounding the cat of all the snow and wait a few days, the ice should get thicker and should be able to support more weight. With the ice able to support more weight, they could then bring in a crane to pick it up and out of the water. Only problem is that by leaving it in the water longer, more ice will be on it and make it heavier for the crane if they pick it up vertically out of the water.

edit: just noticed, but the date on the pictures say they are from 2007

Don't underestimate the weight of a large object covered in ice. This past fall a friend of mine used a 50 ton crane to lift a barge-boat out of a lake. The barge, rated at 12 tons (dry) had a couple of tons of lake weed on it. The crane, rated at 50 tons almost fell over while doing the lifting because of the long boom extension. One leg was already in the air and the second was on its way up when a small bulldozer was used at the last moment to put additional weight on the "airborn" side of the crane., thus preventing a very embarassing event. The tipover was prevented.


How much does a snowcat weigh anyway?

This post has been edited by andyh1962: 19 February 2008 - 03:39 PM

[Kicking Horse]

the dates on the pics are wrong. the camera was set wrong. :)

Also they are talking about using a Heli to lift it out. Appearly the Coast Graud is going use this as a training session?

This post has been edited by Kicking Horse: 19 February 2008 - 04:47 PM

[skiboardwa]

It looks like just the blade is holding it there.
And were they grooming a snowmobile or x-country trail?

[Kicking Horse]

skiboardwa, on Feb 19 2008, 05:53 PM, said:

It looks like just the blade is holding it there.
And were they grooming a snowmobile or x-country trail?

They were grooming snowmobile trails. Appearly the driver was out for 20+ hours and was flighting to stay awake. And drove the machine on to the lake.

[EagleAce]

Kicking Horse, on Feb 19 2008, 05:22 PM, said:

They were grooming snowmobile trails. Appearly the driver was out for 20+ hours and was flighting to stay awake. And drove the machine on to the lake.

20+ hours??? Kinda stupid that the hours of service law that truckers have to follow doesn't apply to another piece of heavy machinery like a snowcat!!

[Kicking Horse]

EagleAce, on Feb 19 2008, 06:35 PM, said:

20+ hours??? Kinda stupid that the hours of service law that truckers have to follow doesn't apply to another piece of heavy machinery like a snowcat!!

Just one thing,

Everything that I know about this is all hear say. So take it with a gain of salt.

[Snoqualmie guy]

Is the cat still worth fixing, or is there too much damage?

[aug]

State owned cat , lake ice is fairly thick 9"-15", this happened on mount hood earlier this season also with a full size cat that was owned by a utility company

[Compuboks]

Current plan is to have divers attach inflatable tubes to it and float it back to the top. The helicopter idea was scrapped because the Army didn't have anything available that would be able to lift it.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories...ck.191a6d5.html

The operator also claims (according to the video) that he was caught in a temporary white-out caused by wind, causing him to become a bit disoriented.

This post has been edited by Compuboks: 20 February 2008 - 07:03 AM