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#21 hyak.net

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 12:19 PM

View PostKicking Horse, on Jan 26 2008, 07:12 PM, said:

Personally we can do away with the big jumps and crap. if people want to do that crap they can go into the back country and build the jumps and whatnot.

Just my .002 euros.


/me is waiting for the flame...


It appears to me that most ski areas build parks in sections of the resort that have terrain that doesn't offer much on its own. With Snoqualmie putting the parks at West and Central (mostly beginner terrain) it makes sense. I am not a park person myself, and have no real interest in them, but from observation I'd have to say the Centeral park at Snoqulamie is the most impressive I've seen at any ski area. I'm glad for the parks at Central and West, otherwise Alpental and Hyak would be just that much more crowded (Hyak used to be the location of the half pipe from the 1980's through 1996)...

It is hard to duplicate terrain park rails, pipes, ect in the backcountry...

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 04:21 PM

Today was my first and last weekend day at the Summit. No parking at West or Alpental, had to WALK 2 miles from Central to Alpental. The shuttle line was over 1.5 hours long.
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Posted 27 January 2008 - 04:23 PM

They should link the ski areas with the gondola.
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Posted 27 January 2008 - 05:21 PM

View PostSkier, on Jan 27 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

Today was my first and last weekend day at the Summit. No parking at West or Alpental, had to WALK 2 miles from Central to Alpental. The shuttle line was over 1.5 hours long.

I guess no one ever told you never to go on a weekend unless it's to Hyak. The lift lines and the parking is horrible and you will spend all of your time waiting to go up a lift, which you already figured out. Try Alpental on a tuesday or Summit West on Thursday or Friday night. That may change your mind.
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Posted 27 January 2008 - 05:34 PM

Yeah, I had been to Alpental and West/Central before during the week and at night, so I figured that it couldn't be much worse on a weekend. Boy was I wrong. I got 3 runs in the whole day. At least it was free with my Crystal pass.
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Posted 27 January 2008 - 08:14 PM

Was it just general skiers or were there the usual masses of school school people?
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Posted 27 January 2008 - 08:44 PM

View PostSkier, on Jan 27 2008, 05:34 PM, said:

Yeah, I had been to Alpental and West/Central before during the week and at night, so I figured that it couldn't be much worse on a weekend. Boy was I wrong. I got 3 runs in the whole day. At least it was free with my Crystal pass.


Next time try Hyak. It is still relativly unknown even to the skiers who have had season passes for years... If you do, go on a poweder day and ride Blowdown, the Dino and the trees just right of blowdown...it kicks butt and you won't waste your time in lift lines or waiting for a shuttle bus.

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 09:12 PM

View PostBill, on Jan 27 2008, 08:14 PM, said:

Was it just general skiers or were there the usual masses of school school people?


Both. The last time I was there on a weekend day was when I was 8 years old and in ski school. But even then I don't remember it being as bad as today. They would not even let people in to Alpental Road or West's parking lots. Last year I skinned up Hyak before they opened and that was a lot of fun. I'll have to try Hyak sometime when the lifts are open.

Does it always take an hour to get up Alpental on the weekends? It was a 25 minute line for Armstrong and chair 2.

The only good part of the day was watching people try and go down the mogul ramp of chair 2. In 5 minutes, I saw 3 people have their backpacks stuck to the chair, one person have their season pass lanyard stuck to the chair, 1 woman fall and tear her ACL (that wasn't funny) and numerous snowboarders crash and burn. Poor lift op...
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Posted 28 January 2008 - 10:37 AM

This year has been more crowded for ski area, and non-ski area traffic then I've ever seen. Almost every weekend there has been very few areas to park and a lot of illegal parking going on along the highway/freeway ramps, but have yet to see people getting towed. Just a matter of time before that kicks in though I'd guess. The parks dept has been having a tough time dealing with the crowds at the sled hill at Hyak. They have been turning cars away because of no more room to park. There have also been many more injuries on the sled hill, most likely due to it being over crowded.

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 04:29 PM

Last time I went on that sled hill the little kids at the bottom would stop on their sleds and just stand there, only to be taken out by some guy flying down the hill. It was very funny to watch since no one really got hurt. The line for Keechules Chair at Hyak is longer every weekend this year than it was last year at almost any given time.
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Posted 31 January 2008 - 07:36 PM

Although this is a little off topic. It's been dumping snow up there all week and the pass has been closed for almost three days. I heard they got 5 feet in the last week. If the pass opens it's going to be a great weekend for the steeper area.
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 04:22 PM

View PostSnoqualmie guy, on Jan 31 2008, 07:36 PM, said:

Although this is a little off topic. It's been dumping snow up there all week and the pass has been closed for almost three days. I heard they got 5 feet in the last week. If the pass opens it's going to be a great weekend for the steeper area.


I'm going to try to get up Saturday, but with the depth of the new snow I'm afraid off the groomers you risk being stuck beyond your waist or if steep you run into avalanche dangers (even inbounds this weekend). Being a record setting snowfall I want to go up just so I can experience it, good or bad.

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 04:47 PM

First off, i90 will have to open.
I heard it may not open some time tomarow.

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 10:59 AM

Now the roads open but Alpental has too much avalanche danger and the rest of the Summit is out of power.
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Posted 02 February 2008 - 08:39 PM

View PostSnoqualmie guy, on Feb 2 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

Now the roads open but Alpental has too much avalanche danger and the rest of the Summit is out of power.



Yea, power was out until 2pm so no lift riding at Hyak today. My friends who came up hiked to the top while I fiinished my shoveling..... Pics are here if you want to see what things look like...

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:13 PM

he skiing was great at Cypress this weekend but not epic like that was

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 05:14 PM

View PostSkier, on Jan 22 2008, 09:53 PM, said:

They made it because they had a $22 million dollar judgement against them last year. Stevens did the same thing. They require you to watch a 20-minute video to get the pass and Stevens charges $5.


Apparently the $5 pass at Stevens didn't benefit this guy... always sad when it happens, but happen it does. :sad:
http://www.komotv.co...s/15160011.html

I'll stick to the groomers and every now and then take my chances in the trees. Leave the terrain park to the kids.

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 08:24 AM

View PostSkiBachelor, on Jan 22 2008, 11:14 PM, said:

It probably won't be long until you have to watch a video on how to ski properly down a run. I think there is a lawsuit in the works against Vail Resorts after a child hit a tree at Breckenridge because a run wasn't properly groomed...

Cameron, you're more correct than you think. The front article in this Sunday's Denver Post was about ski areas cracking down on bad behavior, and it was even mentioned that you may have to take a class in a few years before you can get a pass.

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Shrediquette: Skiing manners

As bad behavior seems to mount on the slopes, ski areas teach some manners and punish offenders to make sure snow sports stay civil.
By Nancy Lofholm

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Article Last Updated: 02/03/2008 03:51:31 PM MST


(Helen H. Richardson, The Denver Post)GRAND JUNCTION — Snowboarders plopped across the middle of runs chatting on cellphones. Gondola cars reeking of smoke. Red Bull cans littering the snow under lifts. Shredders turning black runs blue with their "F-bombs."

Powder hounds are decrying conduct more expected in malls and high school hallways than on the snowy slopes where controlled schussing used to be the norm but shredding — today's term for tearing up the slopes — is now customary.

In some cases, boorish behavior is simply annoying. In others, it can snowball into court battles.

That happened recently at Beaver Creek resort when a 7-year-old skied over the backs of a 60-year-old man's skis, purportedly injuring him. The man screamed at the boy and later filed a personal-injury lawsuit.

"That takes rudeness to a whole other level," said Vail skier Jim Farrell, who admits he can get a little testy when someone slams the chairlift safety bar down on his head.

Colorado's 26 ski areas are stepping up with both proactive and punitive measures designed to ensure civility stays as much a part of the snow experience as face plants.

The ski areas don't want to be seen as heavy-handed, "tsk-tsk" disciplinarians because, after all, snow sports are about having fun and pushing the limits of pitch and powder.

But they are nonetheless trying to get their politeness point across with everything from up-front etiquette tips to finger-wagging warnings. Repeat or over-the-top offenders have been slapped with temporary loss of passes, mandatory safety classes or permanently pulled passes.

"Keep it fun, keep it clean," terrain-park and youth marketing manager for Winter Park resort Bob Holme counsels users. "And if you compromise safety, your pass can be pulled."

Winter Park is the first ski area in Colorado to add a tangible incentive for good behavior — an advanced terrain park that only those who toe the line on rules can use.

Shredders and freeriders — skiers who do tricks — must watch a 15-minute video on safety and civility before they earn the privilege of using the top-shelf-cool jumps and rails in the park called Dark Territory. If they don't follow the rules, the special passes for this area are pulled.

"Our message is, 'This is a cool and mellow place. Keep it that way,' " Holme said.

Steamboat Ski and Resort Association is promoting a SlopeWise safety program. Ski-patrol members go to area schools and colleges to stump for education and awareness. Information on proper slope behavior — from not butting into lift lines to the proper way to exit a chairlift — is included in all brochures that go out to guests.

The resort also added 14 "courtesy patrol" positions to help make sure snow riders are minding their p's and q's.

All of that seems to be having some effect.

"I think the whole skier-versus-snowboarder thing has kind of settled down. There's a peace there now," said Par Arnone, a two-decade local at Steamboat. "Back in the day, it used to be common to see skiers hollering at snowboarders, but we really haven't seen much of that anymore."

Maybe it's been reversed.

Amie Johnson said the buzz among her snowboarding friends at the recent X Games in Snowmass was all about how annoying skiers are.

"They were all saying skiers are taking up the whole slope, carving big turns all the way across. They create traffic jams for the 'boarders," Johnson said. "The 'boarders spray them with snow on purpose."

Breckenridge Ski Resort is trying to cut back on that kind of behavior by adding a new department, the Mountain Safety division, to make visitors aware that there are rules. The division gives presentations to church groups, ski clubs and other organizations that book group reservations. Members of the groups get the talk before they ever strap on their boots.

Besides stressing the Skier Responsibility Code that addresses safety issues, Breckenridge officials give the biblical-sounding injunction to "treat others as you would like to be treated."

"Everybody needs to understand that this is a public place, and there are all kinds of people out there with all kinds of morals and ethics," said Ryen Malinchak, Breckenridge ski-safety manager.

When rule violators at Breckenridge have their passes pulled, as has happened about 50 times this season for skiing outside the ropes, they must go through a two-hour safety awareness class before they are allowed back on the lifts.

January was Learn to Ski/Ride Month in Colorado, and some Colorado ski officials think those lessons are key to gold-star behavior on the mountains.

"Lessons are more than just learning the technical movements. They are also an introduction to the sport and the Skier Responsibility Code," said Jennifer Rudolph with Colorado Ski County USA.

Jen DeBerge of Winter Park said that area is offering deals on lessons because of a belief that education is the best way to lessen problems. "We give people the power to learn how to ski appropriately."

Longtime skiers say much of the poor manners lies with newcomers who don't take advantage of that education.

"They can get out there and not have a clue to the courtesies and rules of the mountain," said Kent Foster, who has been skiing since 1959.

Foster and others attribute some of the downhill slide to the fact that decades ago, skiers were usually introduced to the sport by their parents and learned mountain etiquette by example in a family setting. Also, the equipment back then required more skill, which ruled out skiing for those not serious about the sport.

Nowadays, snowboards and shaped skis have made it possible for the sometimes uncouth masses to slide down a mountain in much greater numbers — a record 12 million in Colorado last season. They do it with more ease — and speed.

Avid Powderhorn Resort skier Ben Potter compares problem ski slopes to clogged freeways.

"It's a factor of numbers," he said. "When you get more drivers on the road, there are bound to be more bad drivers."

The slope traffic problem is obviously worse at busy areas closest to metro Denver. But the overall dip in safe and thoughtful snow riders hasn't bypassed the smaller areas. Even the little family-oriented Powderhorn near Grand Junction has pulled a handful of passes this year.

"Traffic is going so much faster," said Bill Bruchak, director of the ski patrol at Powderhorn.

"The advance in equipment makes beginners think they are intermediates and intermediates think they are bulletproof. Anymore, a 4-by-8 orange 'Slow' sign doesn't work. We have to have a person stand there and slow traffic down."

Powderhorn has taken to posting tips of the day such as, "The person downhill has the right of way." The resort also has gone beyond some ski areas with enforcement of violations of common decency.

Loud foul language first merits a warning and if it continues, passes are pulled.

"We call them 'F-bombers,' and if we encounter them, we take their ticket," Bruchak said.

Malinchak said the solution may ultimately lie in licensing or certification for skiers or 'boarders before they ever hit the slopes. It would work much like having to demonstrate some skills and knowledge before driving a car.

"The trend is going to start heading that way. We need to set a standard in the industry so we're not just allowing anybody up there without some sort of instruction," he said. "I think people would embrace that and realize resorts are trying to provide a safe experience."

Staff writer Jason Blevins contributed to this report. Nancy Lofholm: 970-256-1957 or nlofholm@denverpost.com

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 11:36 AM

The stoy above almost perfectly discribed most of the people doing Central Park at Snoqualmie. The park was closed due to the features being buried on last week, yet tons of people were going in there and a few almost getting run over by the two cats working in the park. Thats why I stay out of the terrain parks, to miss all of the people sitting at the end of landings or swearing their heads off.
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