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#1 skiersage

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Posted 11 January 2008 - 08:17 PM

The new Montezuma Bowl area opened for the first day of lift served skiing today. Overall the area can be described as the A-Basin version of one of Vail's back bowls. The lift, well, its is a typical Leitner Poma Fixed quad. The only bad thing about that is that it is a very slow couch like all other newer Poma FGQs.

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Posted 11 January 2008 - 09:20 PM

Well, not a bad way to break in a new chair... Too bad its not a HSQ...
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:55 AM

No, good thing. Personal opinion of course.
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 04:36 PM

View Postliftmech, on Jan 12 2008, 09:55 AM, said:

No, good thing. Personal opinion of course.

I agree. That line looks excessive too!

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:19 PM

View PostLift Kid, on Jan 12 2008, 05:36 PM, said:

I agree. That line looks excessive too!

The line will probably not be quite that bad once the newness wears off. This weekend will be ugly back there though!
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 08:49 PM

It could be a good time to ride the frontside. How often do chairlift componies change their carrier style? The reason, because those chairs look almost the same as the ones they used for a lot of their HSQ's in the later '90's.
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 09:06 PM

The line wasn't actually that bad all day. That was just almost immediately after the area opened and of course everyone wanted to get down there as fast as possible. After about 1:30 it was possible to ski right onto the lift.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:40 AM

What is the rope speed on this lift? 500 fpm?

I tend to find that the new Poma fixed grip lifts run very slow. Snowmass replaced the Campground Riplet Double with a painfully slow Poma FGD. The same is true for the FGT at the bottom of Aspen Highlands. I hate these lifts.

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 04:28 AM

I heard that when the rope dropped on Friday morning it looked like a Chinese downhill. I want to go check out the area but I think I'll wait until the middle of the week in a few weeks.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 02:32 PM

Could you explain what a Chinese Downhill is?
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 02:42 PM

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 04:16 PM

View Postegieszl, on Jan 13 2008, 02:40 AM, said:

What is the rope speed on this lift? 500 fpm?

I tend to find that the new Poma fixed grip lifts run very slow. Snowmass replaced the Campground Riplet Double with a painfully slow Poma FGD. The same is true for the FGT at the bottom of Aspen Highlands. I hate these lifts.

I believe the speed can range from 350-500 FPM, depending on the drive settings. Some ski areas choose to run certain lifts slower than others. This could be because of novice skiers, wind, or the loading line being really close to the bullwheel.

Off Topic: Does anyone think that loading the chair a ways in front of the bullwheel, such as on C-chair, 5-chair, and E-chair at Breckenridge, makes it easier to load and allows the lift to run around 500 FPM?

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 05:37 PM

Three Kings and Thaynes at PCMR load far in front of the bullwheel and they seem to go faster than other FG lifts. Maybe it just seems like that because you watch the chair coming at you from way back there. I haven't ridden a new double chair recently, but new fixed quads seem painfully slow compared to old doubles and even older triples
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 06:11 PM

Keep in mind that it is a new lift, I've seen some resorts operate their new lifts at slower speeds at first for break-in periods and then increase them later on in the season.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 06:38 PM

That's probably it. Bullwheel loading is actually easier on the customer as they can just ski in a straight line from the wait board to the load board, while the older lifts such as C-chair and so forth have the skier making a turn to get in line with the chair. I think, if anything, that the older style of loading causes more problems and makes the lift run slower overall.

Dino can probably confirm, but Poma has used the 'sweep' style of carrier on all their lifts since 1997 or so. They no longer manufacture the older Competition carrier, just parts to repair 'em.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 07:36 PM

View PostSkiBachelor, on Jan 13 2008, 01:42 PM, said:

It's an all out race with no rules, coined in the ski movie 'Hot Dog.'

One of the classics which is now available on DVD as well as Ski School, and rumor is that Ski Patrol is also going to be going to DVD if it hasn't already.
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 08:46 PM

View Postegieszl, on Jan 13 2008, 01:40 AM, said:

What is the rope speed on this lift? 500 fpm?

I tend to find that the new Poma fixed grip lifts run very slow. Snowmass replaced the Campground Riplet Double with a painfully slow Poma FGD. The same is true for the FGT at the bottom of Aspen Highlands. I hate these lifts.

I think that the rope speed is 450 fpm on Zuma. I haven't ever seen a FGQ run at 500 fpm I think because of loading issues. I don't think that it was running slow today, it seemed normal speed. When I was riding Lenawee lift I guaged the speed to a carrier on Norway, and even though it felt like Lenawee (Poma) was going slower than Norway (Yan), both chairs ended up at the station around the same time. (This is not exact since the two lifts are at different angles, and I don't want to put triginomety into this.)

View PostLift Kid, on Jan 13 2008, 05:16 PM, said:

I believe the speed can range from 350-500 FPM, depending on the drive settings. Some ski areas choose to run certain lifts slower than others. This could be because of novice skiers, wind, or the loading line being really close to the bullwheel.

Off Topic: Does anyone think that loading the chair a ways in front of the bullwheel, such as on C-chair, 5-chair, and E-chair at Breckenridge, makes it easier to load and allows the lift to run around 500 FPM?

On the other hand, all of the Yans at A-Basin are behind the bullwheel, and they run at 500 fpm just fine.

View PostRibStaThio, on Jan 11 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

Well, not a bad way to break in a new chair... Too bad its not a HSQ...

Truly, I don't think a HSQ would have made any difference. The chairlift already has 2400 p/h, and I doubt that they would go for 2800 p/h on a HSQ. So, the lines would be just as long as a HSQ. The lift really isn't that long anyway, so it's not an issue of ride time. I think it just came down to money. A-Basin is a small resort with no funding from lodging; just ticket sales and food. Their budget would have been quite tight if they chose a HSQ. Also, it would be very hard to get parts to the bottom station of the lift where it is situated...

View Postboardski, on Jan 12 2008, 08:19 PM, said:

The line will probably not be quite that bad once the newness wears off. This weekend will be ugly back there though!

I never waited more than two minutes today. I think that the limiting factor is the lifts that serve Montezuma Bowl. All you have are Lenawee with 1800 p/h, and Norway with 1200 p/h. Most people would choose Lenawee because it's less of a hike/walk. So there's a maximum of 3000 people per hour entering the area, and with a 2400 p/h lift, that would only have minimal lines. Now this might change if they replace Exhibition and Norway with a HSQ. (I don't that will happen any time soon, though.)
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 09:11 AM

they may have selected a fg because it parks more guests in the air then in the maze or on the runs keeping the empty feel of the bowl

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Posted 14 January 2008 - 10:41 PM

View Postskierdude9450, on Jan 13 2008, 07:46 PM, said:

I think that the rope speed is 450 fpm on Zuma. I haven't ever seen a FGQ run at 500 fpm I think because of loading issues.

If memory serves me correctly, which it might not and I am open to being corrected on this, the rope speed requirements in Colorado for fixed grip lifts were adopted from ANSI B77.1 standards which I believe are no more than 450 fpm for Fixed Quads. I'll do some research to hopefully verify this tomorrow.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 05:19 AM

You are correct.

B77.1 (2006)
Single chairlifts- 600 FPM
Doubles- 550
Triples- 500
Quads- 450

I'm heading over there here in a bit and I'll see what a 'typical' Saturday crowd looks like back there. 'Only' an inch new, so I doubt it will be that crowded.
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