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[RibStaThiok]

http://www.kutv.com/news/local/story.aspx?...29-04314268dfc0

In my ever so humble opinion, if a privatly owned resort wants to set rules on what is and is not allowed on their slopes, they have every right to do so. Grant it they may be missing out on more $$$ but hey obviously they do just fine with ski only customers. I really enjoyed my last visit to Alta, just was much easier to ski down the slopes without having boarders going all over the place. Though I don't go there often, its a great way to get away from the boarders and back to how fun and enjoyable skiing used to be. Otherwise I am fine at the rest of the resorts that do allow boarding.

[k2skier]

I wanted to hit Taos when I go to Telluride, not any more. What the hell is wrong with only 3 "SKI" area's not allowing snowboards How many ski areas are there in the states? 350ish?

It's not like there's nowhere to ride by Alta, Snowbird rocks. There's also a couple (lol) of other areas near Dear Valley, do snowboarders really want to ski at a mostly groomed snobbish place anyway? I didn't so I hit the many other areas within a couple of miles! I'm not sure how close MRG is to other areas so I won't comment on MRG.

Do snowboarders just like to complain? This year Mt Hood Meadows started cracking down on leashes for boarders, man you think they told them all they had to shave their heads and wear neon pink with all the whining they're doing. GROW UP!

[zeedotcom]

I spend every day that I am out riding fighting attitudes just like this. I am a snowboarder. I go down the hill. I stay out of the way. I am as courteous as I can be. I don't see what I have done wrong? I see just as many skiers (in a full on beginner tuck with poles crossed behind their backs and their skis wedged out as far as they can go) that are criss crossing the hill getting in the way as I do snowboarders. I really don't see what difference it makes how you get down the hill. We need to spend more time on the teaching skiing and snowboarding codes of conduct and less time discriminating based on how you are connected to the snow.

This really is no different than if I were to complain about EVERY skier in a lift line stabbing their poles into my topsheet. If one skier does it, they all must do it right? These ski areas really just represent an attitude that snowboarders (and I'm generalizing this as a group thing) don't like. It is the "elitist" or "snobbish" mindset. Personally, I don't intend to ever go to any of these resorts. Regular resorts are expensive enough.

And yes, some snowboarders just like to complain. Just like some skiers like to blame all their problems on snowboarders.

We all just need to do our best to be nice.

[Callao]

"I don't think that our job is done... so that you can snowboard everywhere.''

What! This guy thinks he can press his religion on others? Let's let the resorts decide.


"I don't think any resort is entitled to be discriminatory based on what's on your feet"

And does this guy think that riding preference is a protected class? Earth to Burton: It's not. Enjoy Snowbird this winter.

Resorts have to "position" themselves in the market. They can't just be like everybody else, or they have nothing special to sell. I know nothing about Mad River. But I do know this: Deer Valley will lose its prestige if they allow snowboarders (which is their differentiating aspect, whether I like it or not), and Alta's guests, shall we say Loyal? Alta's clientele are fiercely loyal to their resort. Lack of change is Alta's marketing position--and it stands supreme among the world's best because of it.

Even if some people think they are snobbish.

[floridaskier]

That's 3 resorts out of how many? Snowbird, Park City, and The Canyons are there if people really have a problem with not being able to snowboard at Alta and Deer Valley. People need to get over it. Right or wrong, when some morons go out and make a video of it, it makes the whole group look like morons, and it only makes Alta and Deer Valley want to allow snowboarders even less. They're catering to a certain market that likes things that way, and as private businesses it's their right to do that. I'm sure Alta and Deer Valley make more money not allowing snowboarders than they would if they allowed them. Most snowboarders are respectful to everyone out there, but it's the few morons who give everyone the bad name, and get this, there are plenty of idiot skiers too.

[skiisme753]

As a skier I would not have a problem with a snowboard only resort. The 'skier only' resorts are that way for a reason - it's what most of the resorts guests want.

[lastchair_44]

Funny video. I think the guys that poached Taos should win. The kids that poached Deer Valley though?? They should be slapped for trying to make their video look like they poached DV. Looks mostly like Park City to me up until they tried to load Carpenter, then Rob and Chris shut 'em down! I really would like to see a clip similar to the Taos clip at DV.

[Peter]

lastchair_44, on Dec 15 2007, 09:28 PM, said:

Funny video. I think the guys that poached Taos should win. The kids that poached Deer Valley though?? They should be slapped for trying to make their video look like they poached DV. Looks mostly like Park City to me up until they tried to load Carpenter, then Rob and Chris shut 'em down! I really would like to see a clip similar to the Taos clip at DV.

Couldn't they have just driven pretty much to the top of Carpenter and skied down from there?

[SkiBachelor]

I liked the one at Mad River and Taos the best. The poach at Deer Valley was just too quick and I think if it was poached like Alta (with tons of boarders), it would be pretty sick.

[Snoqualmie guy]

How did all those borders manage to get to the top?

[SkiBachelor]

They probably hiked all their gear up one day after the ski area closed and the fallowing day, pulled off the prank.

[floridaskier]

The DV one was all at PCMR, probably last spring when it was in the 70s, until they tried to get on the lift. You could see the Alpine Slide in a lot of it, and they were just spraying people. All they did was talk to the guy at DV. The Taos one was pretty cool with them burying their gear at the top and digging it out. I'm trying to figure out how they got into Alta from Brighton, not Snowbird

[SkiMadRiver]

They just poached Mad River Glen yesterday, which was also the day of the dedication ceremony of the "new" single chair. Check this link for a pic of them with Miss Vermont: http://www.madriverglen.com/gallery_public...43a&AddRel=

There's definately an interesting commentary on the pic. As for MRG, I doubt that snowboarding will ever be allowed here again, (It was once allowed) However one of the main issues is that the unload area of the single chair is not a ramp like most other chairs, you actually have to step to the side to get off it. Previously there had been an issue of snowboarders hanging onto the chair to get pushed a bit and this caused the cable to derail a few times. That and a few choice words between riders and the former owner of the mountain caused the ban.

At MRG, most of the trails are all natural snow, most have moguls and just about all of them are extremely narrow. As a loyal MRG skier, I can tell you that we have no animosity towards snowboarders, however the idea is to preserve the sport of skiing as it once was. If MRG wanted to be like the rest of the areas, we wouldn't have restored the single chair, it would have been switched out to a double or even a HSQ years ago. There are no terrain parks here and probably never will be. Less than 1% of the ski areas still ban snowboarding, so I don't understand why we can't at least have this one skiers only. Sugarbush is literally less than 5 miles away.

I also want to point out that a few years ago, a now defunct area in NH, Snow Valley, tried to become a snowboard only, no skiers allowed area, but it went out of business.

[Callao]

Burton Poachers

And that is the culture. Not exactly Gandhi style, but it's snowboard style.
It sure isn't helping to melt away the negative stereotypes though: This is disrespectful. A person can trespass. In fact, a person can do anything he wants, or break any law he wants. He just won't have any protection from law, or his consequences.
As a liftie, sure, you can hike my mountain. But you can't ride my lifts. Take a hike, buddy, and don't become a liability concern for my resort or its guests. We will tag you with "Theft of Services" later. Run away!

This post has been edited by Callao: 16 December 2007 - 09:12 AM

[EagleAce]

You hit the nail on the head zeedotcom and Callao!

I feel a resort has the right to run its business the way it wants to.

[lastchair_44]

Skier, on Dec 15 2007, 10:43 PM, said:

Couldn't they have just driven pretty much to the top of Carpenter and skied down from there?

No, but they could get close. The roads near the top of Carpenter and Homestake are private and the only way to access them is through a gate which is manned by a security guard. Also, did it seem like the kids that "poached" DV had some skier friends who were in on it?? Maybe Jake Burton should be slapped for putting that video in.

[tram mechanic]

for what it's worth, I've imagined a "snowboard free" Jackson Hole for a long time...:-)

[tram mechanic]

the "Free Taos" movement must have worked...good to see them opening up the slopes to all forms of gliss...

[Skiing#1]

I watched the video and I am disgusting that they snowboard and they went right of front skiers or cross over their skis at DV. They are rude.

Two years ago, I rode Collins Express Lift at Alta and I saw two snowboarders came out of the trees of Fred's Slop area and they snowbarded straight down to Wildcat base. They didn't rude to these skiers and they carefully do with these skiers.

If the snowboarders would respect the skiers and the skiers would respect snowboarders, both do not right of front skiers or snowboarders or they do not yell or show off. I think these ski resorts would apprecaite and they could allow snowboarding there.

This post has been edited by Skiing#1: 16 December 2007 - 08:01 PM