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[Peter]

Prices depend on a lot of factors: When the lift is ordered, whether it is an in-house project or turnkey, how many lifts the company is building already. Also a company like Vail resorts may negotiate all their lift purchases together.

[Lift Kid]

RibStaThio, on Dec 10 2007, 10:55 PM, said:

Oh I agree that Pomas are great lifts, but as far as smoothness amung HSQs goes, it's really a toss up and how well they are installed... I've been on Doppies, Puma's (nickname we gave the Poma) and even YAN HSQs, where they were as smooth as a fixed grip tripple, or as rough as an out of balance handle tow! I've always figured that a smooth running lift is a testiment to the Maintenance Crew and those who installed it.

Next question:

Does LP tend to have lower prices then Dopp or is it just dependant upon where they are being installed?

Well, although many factors exist, Leitner-Poma tends to be less expensive than Doppelmayr CTEC. A huge reason for Vail using Leitner-Poma for their more recent installs was L-P's location. Grand Junction is a LOT closer to Vail than Canada, for detaches. Location is a big deal in general though. I am from Minnesota, and we have Doppelmayr CTECs, because of Track Inc. being located here. Track Inc. is a Doppelmayr sales company, along with Tucker Sno-Cat, and as of this year, Prinoth groomer sales. Another example would be Kässbohrer All Terrain Vehicles, Inc. in Burnsville, MN. Most areas around here purchase Pisten Bully grooming machines from them. Location is key for most ski area items.

Two huge things about smoothness on Leitner-Poma's that I like are the rubber sleeves on the shaft that sheave assemblies are attached to. The other is the rubber absorbers on the hanger arm and bail connection on the carrier.

The older Doppelmayr's at Vail are CERTAINLY rough riding, compared to the Poma's. Newer DTECs are far superior for ride comfort. The seat pads are one of the biggest differences that I see more commonly. The comfy Poma pads come standard on their lifts, while the more comfortable pads for Doppelmayrs are special orders from Europe.

In conclusion, Leitner-Poma was the best, and more affordable choice for Vail. I really think they look great too!

[Peter]

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Leitner-Poma tends to be less expensive than Doppelmayr CTEC.

What is your basis for this statement? Clearly it is not the case because Doppelmayr far outsells Poma in any given year. You must mean just in Colorado.

Here are the only actual bids that I have seen, because these two are owned by the State of New York. Clearly there is some variation between the two companies.

Whiteface
Lookout Mountain
Fixed Grip Triple
Doppelmayr CTEC: $2,384,770
Leitner-Poma: $3,450,000

Gore Mountain
Burnt Ridge Express
Detachable Quad
Leitner-Poma: $4,971,220
Doppelmayr CTEC: $5,261,485

Note: Whiteface already has some Doppelmayr's while Gore has Poma's, so there is some loyalty involved in the bidding.

This post has been edited by Skier: 11 December 2007 - 04:34 PM

[spunkyskier01]

Skier, on Dec 11 2007, 04:27 PM, said:

What is your basis for this statement? Clearly it is not the case because Doppelmayr far outsells Poma in any given year. You must mean just in Colorado.

Here are the only actual bids that I have seen, because these two are owned by the State of New York. Clearly there is some variation between the two companies.

Whiteface
Lookout Mountain
Fixed Grip Triple
Doppelmayr CTEC: $2,384,770
Leitner-Poma: $3,450,000

Gore Mountain
Burnt Ridge Express
Detachable Quad
Leitner-Poma: $4,971,220
Doppelmayr CTEC: $5,261,485

Note: Whiteface already has some Doppelmayr's while Gore has Poma's, so there is some loyalty involved in the bidding.

when it comes to the state and its contracting, it all comes down to money. thats all their is to it.

This post has been edited by spunkyskier01: 12 December 2007 - 01:32 AM

[vons]

Vail selects lifts the same way most resorts do that is best price for the specs given. Poma tends to win bids in CO due to low shipping costs and ease of tech support as D-CTEC tends to win in UT for much the same reasons.