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[mikest2]

EagleAce, on Jun 17 2007, 08:28 PM, said:

I find the older Yan carriers rather uncomfortable! I like their 80's style triples the best. My second would have to be Garaventa CTEC. I haven't ridden L-P or Doppelmayr. As for appearance I must say I like the simple no-nonsense square look of Yans the best. I'm the same way with lifts as I am cars--I don't care for the aerodynamic looks of new cars.

Nothing wrong with a car that looks like the box it came in !

[EagleAce]

mikest2, on Jun 17 2007, 09:10 PM, said:

Nothing wrong with a car that looks like the box it came in !

My car didn't come in a box! It came from Lordstown, Ohio! Back in the days when American cars were AMERICAN MADE!

[JustJeepIt]

I too like the Dopp station designs, think they are awesome

[Lift Kid]

skierdude9450, on Jun 17 2007, 10:03 PM, said:

Did you mean DT-104?

Anyway, that's true that you hardly feel anything at all with the AG-104 grips. The Beaver Creek D-CTEC's are some of the smoothest I've ever been on. The Poma TB-41 grip varies on smootheness lift-by-lift. I'd say though that the Omega T-grip is equally as smooth as the AG-104. The worst for bumpiness that I have been on is the Garaventa AK-4.

I think that the newer Doppelmayr stations are a LOT smoother than the older Uni style terminals. The older stations jerk the chairs around a lot when the grip is being attached or detached. I believe it has something to do with the locking and unlocking of the mobile jaw. Also, the chairs are really light-weight. You really notice it when the chairs rattle and shake going over towers. I still LOVE to ride the older Doppelmayrs and the newer ones too!!

[P01itiC4lR3B31]

SkiBachelor, on Jun 17 2007, 06:58 PM, said:

It's bumpy because of the DT-104 grip. If you compare it to the Agamatic grip, you will notice that the clamping area is smaller for the Agamatic grip.

I was wondering why they were so bumpy.

[skierdude9450]

Lift Kid, on Jun 18 2007, 01:18 AM, said:

I think that the newer Doppelmayr stations are a LOT smoother than the older Uni style terminals. The older stations jerk the chairs around a lot when the grip is being attached or detached. I believe it has something to do with the locking and unlocking of the mobile jaw. Also, the chairs are really light-weight. You really notice it when the chairs rattle and shake going over towers. I still LOVE to ride the older Doppelmayrs and the newer ones too!!

You brought up a good point. The smoothness is all relative to the load on a chair. A fully loaded chair is much more likely to be a smooth ride, especially over depression assembelies. A relatively unloaded chair will be shakier over the sheaves.

[Lift Kid]

skierdude9450, on Jun 19 2007, 12:17 AM, said:

You brought up a good point. The smoothness is all relative to the load on a chair. A fully loaded chair is much more likely to be a smooth ride, especially over depression assembelies. A relatively unloaded chair will be shakier over the sheaves.

It's not really a problem on POMA's because the chairs are so heavy.

However, TB-41 grips rattle while the DS Series grips hardly rattle at all. Some part of the spring on the TB-41's are to blame for the noise, while the torsion bar keeps the DS quieter.

[SuperRat]

Lift Kid, on Jun 19 2007, 07:09 PM, said:

It's not really a problem on POMA's because the chairs are so heavy.

However, TB-41 grips rattle while the DS Series grips hardly rattle at all. Some part of the spring on the TB-41's are to blame for the noise, while the torsion bar keeps the DS quieter.

Doppelmayr's DS grips use cup springs. The DT grips use torsion bars.

Also, when comparing jaw sizes on different grips one should consider whether the rope diameter is the same. Larger diameter ropes should have larger jaws (both clamping diameter and length).
On the subject of smooth attaching and detaching, its possible for the coupling areas to be out of adjustment. This can be caused by terminal sheave liner wear and that can contribute to a jerky "launch" in any type of detachable.

This post has been edited by SuperRat: 19 June 2007 - 05:14 PM

[Kicking Horse]

Let's put it to you this way. I like each brand of lift. Each one is different.

Enough Said. :)

From an operator stand point. I like the Older ctec detach systems over the newer more complexed systems.

IE chair 10 and 16 old style. And Chair 15 new style. (at bc)

[liftmech]

P01itiC4lR3B31, on Jun 17 2007, 02:28 PM, said:

Garventa CTEC, Hawk Six Pack at washington is fairly smooth for a six pack even at 5.08 m/s. Smoother than Forest Queens or Chinook Express on Crystal. (Man I wish those chairs would get refurbished perhaps the grips too)

What needs refurbishing? They're only ten years old. Shouldn't be much in the way of refurbishing to do on them.

[P01itiC4lR3B31]

liftmech, on Jun 22 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

What needs refurbishing? They're only ten years old. Shouldn't be much in the way of refurbishing to do on them.

Well because of those grips that make the chairs rattle like mad on the lift line, that is just me fantasizing. Chairs don't even have pads, they are just plain hard where as the REX has coushining. Probably that is the only thing that needs to be changed out is the chairs but would you have to do anything to the terminals to accomadate a different type of grip?

[Peter]

There is nothing wrong with them. The Doppelmayr chairs have that closed cell foam "padding." Many resorts, like Big Sky put real pads on top of that to increase comfort. The disadvantages of that are the chairs can not flip up at night. Big Sky does not get nearly the amount of sticky snow we get so it is not as big of a deal. The seats on Rex do not flip up and are always covered in snow and ice. I much prefer a dry seat that is a little harder and rattles than one which is soaking wet.

[EagleAce]

Skier, on Jun 22 2007, 03:10 PM, said:

I much prefer a dry seat that is a little harder and rattles than one which is soaking wet.

Agreed. Come on, let's get some more votes for Yan! But yes, each make of lift is unique in its own way.

This post has been edited by EagleAce: 25 June 2007 - 07:42 PM

[Emax]

"...let's get some more votes for Yan"

While Jan would be gratified by your enthusiasm, even he would suggest that his lift technology is becoming ancient history.

During "the good years", he made stout well-thought-out machines and people liked them - even me. I also like DeSotos and Studebakers - but neither would make a very good modern taxi.

[EagleAce]

Emax, on Jun 26 2007, 06:06 AM, said:

"...let's get some more votes for Yan"

While Jan would be gratified by your enthusiasm, even he would suggest that his lift technology is becoming ancient history.

During "the good years", he made stout well-thought-out machines and people liked them - even me. I also like DeSotos and Studebakers - but neither would make a very good modern taxi.

True....without his technology the industry wouldn't be where it is today. I'm just someone who likes old stuff--heck, I still drive the same car I got when I graduated high school in 1988; 213,000 miles and still running strong with the original engine.

[vonrollskyway1]

vonroll.very old school.type 101

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[vonrollskyway1]

im a die hard vonroll type 101 fan.most lifts now days look the same.they are all good.but vonroll type 101s were different in all of there locations.from there side chairs,to there amusement park skyrides,vonroll type 101s are not all built the same like most lifts.they have there own sound,fun to ride on and most of all the gravity launch is pretty cool.sorry,love the old vonroll type 101s.a old reliable.....

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[hoodoo]

vonrollskyway1, on Aug 26 2008, 09:18 PM, said:

im a die hard vonroll type 101 fan.most lifts now days look the same.they are all good.but vonroll type 101s were different in all of there locations.from there side chairs,to there amusement park skyrides,vonroll type 101s are not all built the same like most lifts.they have there own sound,fun to ride on and most of all the gravity launch is pretty cool.sorry,love the old vonroll type 101s.a old reliable.....

Looks like the bubble lift out of Grenoble France going up to the Bastille.

I was curious as to why you were going on about your VR 101.. now I know!

My favorite lift is one that starts up in rime ice.

[vonrollskyway1]

hoodoo, on Aug 26 2008, 10:04 PM, said:

Looks like the bubble lift out of Grenoble France going up to the Bastille.

I was curious as to why you were going on about your VR 101.. now I know!

My favorite lift is one that starts up in rime ice.

thanks.they are a one of a kind lift.no 2 are alike .lifts nowdays look the same.no characture.even all of there towers look the same.even gondola lifts made by all the modern day manufactures.they all look the same.the texas state fair skyway for example,looks the same as a doppelmayr gondola at a ski resort.like my lifts with charature...

[brad82]

I like doppelmayr station designs and chairlifts - but I like POMA gondolas.