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[JustJeepIt]

Sourdough was put in back in 1975, just about 32 years of service, not bad for a Yan. Not sure when Highline was installed, probably a little older if its the lift i am thinking about. Guess they will be going to the scrapper :( Wonder if I can get any of the chairs from them...

A few years back a friend of mine who frequents A-Basin (Arapaho) was able to get 2 chairs off of an old lift they took out. (can't remember the name of it) for about $100 each. If I ever get a place of my own, I think it would be sweet to hang a chair on the front and or back patio. Any of you folks done that?

[Peter]

I know they sold all the highline chairs to people awhile ago, don't know about Sourdough. They might be keeping those Doppelmayr triples for parts.

[Snoqualmie guy]

Somebody should get a picture of where the Northway lift will go up before the lift line is cut so we can have before and after pictures.

[Peter]

I have many before pictures already, some are on the forum.

[chasl]

skierdude9450, on May 30 2007, 12:10 AM, said:

What speed are they going to have it at? Not to start a new discussion, but I've never seen a high speed fixed grip lift.
Actually, those CLD-260s are sicker than you think. The Vista seems to be running fine, but 2 and 11 are breaking down left and right. After being stuck on each of them for 30+ minutes for various issues, you realize that they aren't in great condition. Every time I ride them, I wonder if I should call my friend and tell him to hold the table at Two Elk. 4 and 7 are also getting a bit weary.

Depends on how you look at it, in a beginner area anything loading faster than lets say 200-250 fpm. is fast to them.
that is why I say that the best place for the detachable lift is at a beginner area. I really do not care about line speed, the less I have to slow down and or stop a lift the better.

From a marketing standpoint, the better first experience I can give a customer, the better chance I have of making a life long member of the skiing public.

Whether my ride takes 10 minuets or 20 minuets really does not bother me, lifts stopping because of a misload does.

Look unless you are going for a vetical challange record, if you make 2 or 3 less runs per day really does not matter, it is the overall experience you had that day is what counts. Yes speed does matter, But, let's not get stuck on terminology, I like calling a HSQ, a detachable, because that is what it does, this in turn allows for a faster line speed. Incidentally the first detachables came about because of loading speed and women, line speed was a nice advantage.

[boardski]

JustJeepIt, on May 30 2007, 08:53 PM, said:

Sourdough was put in back in 1975, just about 32 years of service, not bad for a Yan. Not sure when Highline was installed, probably a little older if its the lift i am thinking about. Guess they will be going to the scrapper :( Wonder if I can get any of the chairs from them...

A few years back a friend of mine who frequents A-Basin (Arapaho) was able to get 2 chairs off of an old lift they took out. (can't remember the name of it) for about $100 each. If I ever get a place of my own, I think it would be sweet to hang a chair on the front and or back patio. Any of you folks done that?

Highline (lift 10) was installed in 1973. The lift at A Basin was the doulble Lenawee lift. I was wanting a chair from it at the time but did not own a truck back then. I do have a chair from one of the center-bar double Riblet lifts removed from Winter Park. Judging by how beat up it was when I got it, I think it may be from the double Eskimo lift.

[boardski]

chasl, on May 31 2007, 09:17 AM, said:

Depends on how you look at it, in a beginner area anything loading faster than lets say 200-250 fpm. is fast to them.
that is why I say that the best place for the detachable lift is at a beginner area. I really do not care about line speed, the less I have to slow down and or stop a lift the better.

From a marketing standpoint, the better first experience I can give a customer, the better chance I have of making a life long member of the skiing public.

Whether my ride takes 10 minuets or 20 minuets really does not bother me, lifts stopping because of a misload does.

Look unless you are going for a vetical challange record, if you make 2 or 3 less runs per day really does not matter, it is the overall experience you had that day is what counts. Yes speed does matter, But, let's not get stuck on terminology, I like calling a HSQ, a detachable, because that is what it does, this in turn allows for a faster line speed. Incidentally the first detachables came about because of loading speed and women, line speed was a nice advantage.

I would 100% agree about the stopping and slowing being the most annoying thing about a lift. The line speed is not as noticeable. Winter Park/ Mary Janes lifts were TERRIBLE last season for stops and slows due to misloads. Even the lifts at Mary Jane which serves almost no beginner terrain stopped and slowed at least 1-2 times each trip up. I'm not sure if people are not receiving enough instruction or the loading stations are not designed well or if people are just entitled and want the attention of having the lift slowed down for them but it was extremely annoying. To contrast, I found the Aspen areas seem to run their lifts fast and have a lot fewer slows and stops than most areas I skied at last year. Although the Aspen mountains seem to have fewer crowds also, maybe that helps. Detatchable lifts are a huge cost to pay to entice beginners but it must be paying off for most ski areas, however, hopefully these places will remember that skiers will need to be able to ride fixed grip lifts eventually and leave some on the beginner hills for practice.

[Snoqualmie guy]

Last yeaar at Snoqualmie on Central Express had so many misloads and bad unloads that they put up a sign that said NO BEGINNERS! And it worked. People think they can ride up the biggest lift their first time.

[Peter]

Central was ridiculous when I was there. 30 minute line for a stupid lift that goes nowhere. It would have been faster to walk.

30 minute line
30 seconds down
30 minute line
30 seconds down...

[Snoqualmie guy]

Next time go on a week day or take Sliver Fir!

[Peter]

Can't go on a weekday with school, and Silver Fir is not open at night. Regardless, I won't be going back unless it is to Alpental.

[Limelight]

Skier, on May 31 2007, 09:14 PM, said:

Central was ridiculous when I was there. 30 minute line for a stupid lift that goes nowhere. It would have been faster to walk.

30 minute line
30 seconds down
30 minute line
30 seconds down...

I couldn't agree more. Thats why I stay away from the pass.

[Snoqualmie guy]

Yes I agree that is a major problem there but I would go to Crystal but it's way to expensive, their night skiing is way too small and the lifties are not the most friendly guys I have met. But the lifts there do go somewhere.

[skier691]

Photo's???? where... topic

[SkiBachelor]

Thanks Skier691, it's time to get back on topic everyone.

[Peter]

Okay then, new photos:

http://madriverglen....=conditions.php

And check out Dollar Mountain's webcams for progress of the 2 new Doppelmayr detachables:

http://www.sunvalley...o/mtn.cams.aspx

[JustJeepIt]

Dang! That is quick work at Sun Valley!

[Lift Kid]

skierdude9450, on May 30 2007, 12:10 AM, said:

What speed are they going to have it at? Not to start a new discussion, but I've never seen a high speed fixed grip lift.
Actually, those CLD-260s are sicker than you think. The Vista seems to be running fine, but 2 and 11 are breaking down left and right. After being stuck on each of them for 30+ minutes for various issues, you realize that they aren't in great condition. Every time I ride them, I wonder if I should call my friend and tell him to hold the table at Two Elk. 4 and 7 are also getting a bit weary.

Oops. I forgot about 2, but I didn't know that 11 was so bad. Everytime I ride lift 2, something happens and it stops for a minimum of 15 mins. I hate that lift with extreme intensity. But 2 and 11 are the first two that were installed. So they have major reason to be falling apart. Are those going to be replaced anytime soon?

[Peter]

Loon has started a ablog to post weekly updates on the South Peak Expansion including 2 Doppelmayr quads.

http://www.loonmtn.c...r/speakblog.asp

And some pics here of Glacier Chaser at Big Mtn:

http://www.bigmtn.co....php?a=sod/main

This post has been edited by Skier: 02 June 2007 - 05:18 PM

[skierdude9450]

boardski, on May 31 2007, 08:32 PM, said:

I would 100% agree about the stopping and slowing being the most annoying thing about a lift. The line speed is not as noticeable. Winter Park/ Mary Janes lifts were TERRIBLE last season for stops and slows due to misloads. Even the lifts at Mary Jane which serves almost no beginner terrain stopped and slowed at least 1-2 times each trip up. I'm not sure if people are not receiving enough instruction or the loading stations are not designed well or if people are just entitled and want the attention of having the lift slowed down for them but it was extremely annoying. To contrast, I found the Aspen areas seem to run their lifts fast and have a lot fewer slows and stops than most areas I skied at last year. Although the Aspen mountains seem to have fewer crowds also, maybe that helps. Detatchable lifts are a huge cost to pay to entice beginners but it must be paying off for most ski areas, however, hopefully these places will remember that skiers will need to be able to ride fixed grip lifts eventually and leave some on the beginner hills for practice.

I think that the SG misloads have to do with the lifties. The day I was there, I think it slowed once for misloads, the rest was wind. (It was constantly blowing 30 mph w/ gusts to 60.) But from the past, I dont remember the lifties at Winter Park to be too helpful, and they just press the yellow button when somebody falls, help them up, and send them on their way. Whereas Copper's lifties seem to be very helpful, and say up to the red line for every chair, and how's your day. That is probably what leads to Super Bee being very efficient. Just in case any WP lifties are here, take no offense, and I mean no harm. This is just what I have observed from skiing there over the years.