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[iceberg210]

Lat/Lon cordinates are being accessed or at least trying...

Also my friend's aunt has a friend who has worked on a lot of enviromental projects for different companies with the BLM and has volenteered his effort. Finnally I may be able to get write offs sense i am devoloping in the area I am.

[iceberg210]

I got the topos in Salt Lake and as soon as I can get back down there from up here in Seattle I'll post them on the fourm.

[Powdr]

Iceberg,

I can help you with the imaging, terrain mapping & planning if you want. I spend a good deal of time with local planning commissions here in Park City, and am famillair with the process (although each state/locale is different).

Powdr

[iceberg210]

Great thanks a bunch Powdr i may have to take you up on that.

[skier2]

I could design a future base area. I am skilled in that area. Also, do you have a trail map or liftline scoped out yet?

[iceberg210]

No i don't but I'll send you them as soon as I get back to Salt Lake City.

[iceberg210]

Sorry I haven't still gotten the maps up on the site but I will.

Anyway after the preliminary resaerch the resort is looking far more feasible then ever. Tomorrow I'll post the aprox figures etc and see what you guys think.

This post has been edited by iceberg210: 25 December 2004 - 12:13 AM

[iceberg210]

Alright here are some rough estimates please correct me where I'm wrong.

A FG triple or double 1000 ft Verticle and 4,000 feet long aprox $100000 (based on figures obtained for Chair 17 at Mamouth and chairs at Alta)
Triple installed $800000 (APROX)
Smalll 500 to 1500 foot long begginer double withv 200 to 500 verticle $50000 (based on recent skiresort boneyard listings and varuios info)
Installed $50000
Logde $200000
NEPA study $500000 (estimate from a resort)
Five pieces of equipment $100000 (two snow cats a loader, dozer and excavator, {all from figures of resale for 10 to 15 year old equipmenyt})
$200000 misc (including lift spares shacks, landscaping etc)


This totals up to $2 million dollars. A loan for this amount if payed of in 15 years at max would have a payment of 10% a year which would be $200,000 a year. Now if we say that labour expenses, salouries water, gas and electricity cost another $200,000 a year we now need to be able to make $400,000 a year to break even. Now if we say that we charge $40 per ticket. This means we need 10,000 skier days a year. With the average Joe skiing ten times a year (average for most people is around 15 from the figures I've seen which sound a bit off) at our resort that means we onlly need 1,000 skiers. IN the county that surrounds Landor there lives 50,000 people which means that we only need 2% of those to ski to break even while estimates in the Salt Lake area are around 7% so even if we are less then one third of Salt Lake's average we will still make it.

NOw the major figures that I'm unclear on are the labour costs but it seems that this resort has a pretty decent outlook interms of feasibility and I will begin writing up the buisness plan soon with some new software I got for Christmas;. Perfect timing eh.

BTW I'll try to get those maps up when I get back to SLC.

[KZ]

That sounds very possible and doable. I heard that last season june had 87,000 visitors and it is a fraily small mountain, 500 acres and really in mammoth's shadow. They have a pretty short season (mid december thru easter). If a place that far away from a real town can get that many people I'm sure you can get 10,000, or maybe chare $30 so you need 15,000.

[iceberg210]

Here are some maps and I downloaded the DEM's if I can only get it to work in Terragen (due to my inexperience I've failed miserably with this program). By the way by the end of this weekend I should have a pretty solid buisness plan up but I need just a few more things if anybody has any idea on matnience costs and labour costs for lift mechanics lifties ski patrol etc it would be incredibly helpful if you'll just PM them to me.

Also just for your knowlegde the latitude and longitude of the resort is 42 degrees 34' 46" North and 108 degrees 39' 01" West. Powdr if I could take you up on your gracious offer on the map thing that would be great.

The land in the red box is BLM land and just a quick lift layout is there. I would need a short begginner lift and a 1000 vert 4000 horz foot lift for this plan. The long lift is a must and needs to go about where it is on the map as the rigde does some wierd things I'm told.

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This post has been edited by iceberg210: 08 February 2005 - 08:59 PM

[liftmech]

I can't get the map to download, but if the ridge on the proposed liftline does some wierd things you'd be well served to place the lift just below it and protect the towers if there is an avalanche danger. Have you contacted any engineers to do profiles, or are you not to that stage?

[SkiBachelor]

This is going to be a fun and challenging resort to design. However, I think you might be better off relocating the current lift line because it's extremly flat and steep in the area where the current lift will drop you off. If my propsed vertical is correct, this will offer you 1000 feet of vertical or are grid lines in meters? This new lift alignment will also allow you to have more skiing runs.

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Erik, you should also consider buying the topo map of this grid square. It will be a lot nicer to work with. :)

[iceberg210]

Cameron that is a much better lift line and although I put a lift there on the topo it isn't in as good as location as yours although it went in the same genreal area. The problem with this lift line however is I believe you would have to get perrmission to use the BLM land and that might require an expensive NEPA study. Also all the numbers are in feet.

Anyone who want's to design a lift placement scheme for the resort be my guest the more variations and ideas the better. If you are planning on looking for maps of this area it is in the sectional map entitled Miner's Delight.

John I'm yet to contact a engineering firm to do a profile yet as I need to figure out the costs to see if I can actually make this thing fly and for right now a rough lift figure is sufficent as I'm estimating in the high region there the main cost I need to figure out is labour. Also John what I was saying about the rigde is apparently not true in that area it is the area left of the lift line that the ridge is really narrow and has some odd crevasses.

Also just as a reminder if anyone could get me some labour costs for a ski resort it would be incredibly helpful.

The short begginner lift could be placed anywhere down there if you guys have any placements that would be great as that was just a quick little addition but we will need a short begginner lift.

This post has been edited by iceberg210: 09 February 2005 - 07:42 PM

[KZ]

Erik do you think you could maybe save them as jpg's? My computer doesnt like downloading bmp's

[iceberg210]

I do that later today whe nI have more time as I've got to head out toschool right now but I'll get that done for you Zack

[KZ]

Thanks alot I dont know what it is with this computer.

[Kicking Horse]

it would help if u could get some pics of the land also...

[iceberg210]

Here's the JPEG's KZ

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[iceberg210]

Well its been a while but everything on the resort has been going okay. The plan now is to finish the buissness plan by the end of this summer and try to secure financing this coming weekend. Also if anyone knows the way one does a proposal to the BLM that would be very helpful and if you could just PM me that would be great.

Also if anyone else wants to take a crack at the map that would be great.

This post has been edited by iceberg210: 13 May 2005 - 05:48 PM

[skier2]

I would love to hep design the base lodge, as I am also very skilled in that area, as well as helping if you would like to do run layout or advertisement(if public). I can also help with anything else except lift installation, but it has always been a dream of mine to build a resort, or help to make one, and my dad and I may open one when he retires... I was also wondering if when it is built, people form the forum could come and ski it if it is private... Also, will there be grooming? if so, I can design a terrain park, and ticket booths, etc.