I would like to know if you can move people horizontally over distances. Would like to try it in my home town. Have some ideas in my head would like to clear up.
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Ski Lifts Over Horizontal Distants
Started by DarrelDim, Feb 07 2004 03:15 PM
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Posted 07 February 2004 - 03:25 PM
Your in luck! Right now, manufacturers are already designing this type of transportation. There are plans of hooking Mammoth Mountain and June Mountain in California with this new type of aerial transportation system called a 'Cable Way.' I don't know a lot about this system since it's remains kind of a secret, but here are some of the design concepts.
http://saminfo.com/wirerope6.htm
However, I'm not sure how big of a city you live in, but some cities are already using aerial lifts to move a mass amount of people from one place to another. For example, New York City has an aerial tram which is used to take poeple in the city, while some other cities have gondolas. What type of aerial lift were you thinking about?
http://saminfo.com/wirerope6.htm
However, I'm not sure how big of a city you live in, but some cities are already using aerial lifts to move a mass amount of people from one place to another. For example, New York City has an aerial tram which is used to take poeple in the city, while some other cities have gondolas. What type of aerial lift were you thinking about?
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 09:39 AM
No structural limitations.
Visual impact is often a key consideration when building a lift in urban areas.
A clearing approximately 30' wide is needed for most lifts. Tram and gondola style lifts with tall towers have been used to circumvent this impact (of course the towers are an issue). The biggest problem is recovering construction and operating costs. See below for used chair lift costs.
Operation costs that might influence purchase decisions.
Purchase price and construction price are interchangeable but installed price is still the same amount.
Ticket seller/accountant, daily operators and relief operators' costs are for 12 hour day x 365 days.
Operating cost in 11th year and beyond will remain the same due to higher maintenance costs and inflation.
Riders per day averaged through projected total year use not sales brochure loading capacity.
If total rides per day are not increased, each year an operating loss will occur.
Purchase price 300,000
Construction Costs 150,000
Engineering and Permits 50,000
Installed Price 500,000
Loan cost per year for 10 years 100,000
Operating costs per year
Power 12,000
Inspection Fees .. 2,000
Permits ...1,000
Insurance .. 10,000
Insurance required contracted preventive maintenance program . 20,000
Yearly maintenance for parts and material 10,000
Operating Personnel for 12 hour day 6 x 25,000. 150,000
Donation to Fire Department for evacuation standby ..1,000
Yearly Operating Costs .. ..306,000
Daily Operating Cost ..869
Sales brochure Loading Capacity (riders) per day 12600
Actual Use riders per day .174
Ticket cost per ride .. 5
Total ticket profit per day . 5x 174 .<870>
Daily profit ..<1>
Yearly profit .<365>
Visual impact is often a key consideration when building a lift in urban areas.
A clearing approximately 30' wide is needed for most lifts. Tram and gondola style lifts with tall towers have been used to circumvent this impact (of course the towers are an issue). The biggest problem is recovering construction and operating costs. See below for used chair lift costs.
Operation costs that might influence purchase decisions.
Purchase price and construction price are interchangeable but installed price is still the same amount.
Ticket seller/accountant, daily operators and relief operators' costs are for 12 hour day x 365 days.
Operating cost in 11th year and beyond will remain the same due to higher maintenance costs and inflation.
Riders per day averaged through projected total year use not sales brochure loading capacity.
If total rides per day are not increased, each year an operating loss will occur.
Purchase price 300,000
Construction Costs 150,000
Engineering and Permits 50,000
Installed Price 500,000
Loan cost per year for 10 years 100,000
Operating costs per year
Power 12,000
Inspection Fees .. 2,000
Permits ...1,000
Insurance .. 10,000
Insurance required contracted preventive maintenance program . 20,000
Yearly maintenance for parts and material 10,000
Operating Personnel for 12 hour day 6 x 25,000. 150,000
Donation to Fire Department for evacuation standby ..1,000
Yearly Operating Costs .. ..306,000
Daily Operating Cost ..869
Sales brochure Loading Capacity (riders) per day 12600
Actual Use riders per day .174
Ticket cost per ride .. 5
Total ticket profit per day . 5x 174 .<870>
Daily profit ..<1>
Yearly profit .<365>
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Posted 09 February 2004 - 09:53 AM
Just moving people horizontally via a lift has been done many times, particularily in amusement parks. Two parks that I know of that have horizontal lifts are Busch Gardens Williamsburg and Cedar Point. Each park has a Von Roll gondola lift used to provide tranportation within the park. I'm not sure when the Busch system was built, but Cedar Point's was built in the early 60's. You can see a picture of the Cedar Point system here:
http://members.aol.c...erama/sky14.htm
http://members.aol.c...erama/sky14.htm
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Posted 10 February 2004 - 04:59 AM
The disadvantage of using an aerial lift is that in most cases it has only two loading points. The best use for an aerial lift as a people mover is where you have one popular destination (such as Roosevelt Island, served by the tram Cameron's talking about) or where you wish to eliminate transit (such as from the parking lot to the base of the ski area, as Copper is considering.)
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 12:43 PM
Does anyone know who built the Skyride at Cedar Point? The grips look almost like Yans detachable grips.
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-Bryan
Theres a place for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
"You could say that a mountain is alot like a woman, once you think you know every inch of her and you're about to dip your skis into some soft, deep powder...Bam, you've got two broken legs, cracked ribs and you pay your $20 just to let her punch your lift ticket all over again"
Theres a place for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
"You could say that a mountain is alot like a woman, once you think you know every inch of her and you're about to dip your skis into some soft, deep powder...Bam, you've got two broken legs, cracked ribs and you pay your $20 just to let her punch your lift ticket all over again"
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 01:25 PM
Is it a detachable?
-Bryan
Theres a place for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
"You could say that a mountain is alot like a woman, once you think you know every inch of her and you're about to dip your skis into some soft, deep powder...Bam, you've got two broken legs, cracked ribs and you pay your $20 just to let her punch your lift ticket all over again"
Theres a place for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
"You could say that a mountain is alot like a woman, once you think you know every inch of her and you're about to dip your skis into some soft, deep powder...Bam, you've got two broken legs, cracked ribs and you pay your $20 just to let her punch your lift ticket all over again"
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 03:18 PM
So yan is the one who made the PG at Water World. Personally, I love the idea of urban transportation via ropeway.
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Isn't it odd that "politics" is made up of the word "poli" meaning many, and "tics" meaning blood-sucking creatures?
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 08:04 PM
KZ, on Feb 12 2005, 04:29 PM, said:
its a von roll 101. The grip is really simple.
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Does it work similarly to the Yan gravity grip?
Also does anyone have a diagram or close up photos of the grip?
-Bryan
Theres a place for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
"You could say that a mountain is alot like a woman, once you think you know every inch of her and you're about to dip your skis into some soft, deep powder...Bam, you've got two broken legs, cracked ribs and you pay your $20 just to let her punch your lift ticket all over again"
Theres a place for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
"You could say that a mountain is alot like a woman, once you think you know every inch of her and you're about to dip your skis into some soft, deep powder...Bam, you've got two broken legs, cracked ribs and you pay your $20 just to let her punch your lift ticket all over again"
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 09:09 PM
I might be able too, except for the "water" part. They might end up being the old film kind.
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Isn't it odd that "politics" is made up of the word "poli" meaning many, and "tics" meaning blood-sucking creatures?
Isn't it odd that "politics" is made up of the word "poli" meaning many, and "tics" meaning blood-sucking creatures?
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 09:12 PM
Does anyone know what the drive station looks like?
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Theres a place for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
"You could say that a mountain is alot like a woman, once you think you know every inch of her and you're about to dip your skis into some soft, deep powder...Bam, you've got two broken legs, cracked ribs and you pay your $20 just to let her punch your lift ticket all over again"
Theres a place for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
"You could say that a mountain is alot like a woman, once you think you know every inch of her and you're about to dip your skis into some soft, deep powder...Bam, you've got two broken legs, cracked ribs and you pay your $20 just to let her punch your lift ticket all over again"
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 09:24 PM
I think it might be a vault drive, because I don't remember any large fixture above the stations. I'll look for pics.
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Isn't it odd that "politics" is made up of the word "poli" meaning many, and "tics" meaning blood-sucking creatures?
Isn't it odd that "politics" is made up of the word "poli" meaning many, and "tics" meaning blood-sucking creatures?
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 10:56 PM
station pic....
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