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[Skiing#1]

I love to look at the chairs with safely/restfoot bars. I can tell you about two much different between the chair with safely/restfoot bars and the chairs without them. The chairs without safely/restfoot bars/people looks funny. The chairs with safely/restfoot bars look very beautiful.

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This post has been edited by Skiing#1: 26 January 2007 - 10:19 PM

[aug]

Skiing#1, on Jan 26 2007, 10:18 PM, said:

I love to look at the chairs with safely/restfoot bars. I can tell you about two much different between the chair with safely/restfoot bars and the chairs without them. The chairs without safely/restfoot bars/people looks very funny. The chairs with safely/restfoot bars look very beautiful and very popular.

I think chairs without safety bars look sano, the ones with safety bars look not as sanitary. I believe in the KISS method ,Keep It Simple Stupid( no offense intended).

[Kelly]

These pictures will give some clarity as to the drawbacks of restraint systems
Picture of the finger near weld shows a “wire edge” not removed in the manufacturing process - sharp and it will cut the skin or tear clothing.
The rest show common pinch or smash points.
Yes I agree that we all must show some appearance of responsibility when riding - still I wonder why they did not improve/copy on Riblets better design?
Manufacture CETC 2003

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[aug]

Ryan , which better design were you reffering to?

[Kelly]

I would have to add a change to that last post – the lift manufacture is Riblet but I am not sure of the restraint maker at this time perhaps it is Tram Support.
Sorry no pics as my assistant left the extra battery at the home office.
This pic is from our search function and I am still not sure it was same type-

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[liftmech]

The old SLI (chair 5) at Crystal had a nightmare of a finger-smashing footrest. It was definitely needed on that lift- 7500' long- but if you weren't paying attention when your partner dropped the bar down you were liable to get hurt.

[skierdude9450]

Ryan B, on Feb 5 2007, 06:23 PM, said:

I would have to add a change to that last post – the lift manufacture is Riblet but I am not sure of the restraint maker at this time perhaps it is Tram Support.
Sorry no pics as my assistant left the extra battery at the home office.
This pic is from our search function and I am still not sure it was same type-

I think that those are from Tram Support since they are new this year.

[Kelly]

Riblet triple - notice stops are behind the seat away from elbows and fingers.
Also this style has no sleeve on bolt pivot which will create an additional wear point.
Stop is a far distance from the furthest load point which is not an ideal loading situation – CETC has solved this problem with their stop quite close to the load point.
Often we see a design solve one problem and create another – here is the perfect case study.

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[SkiDaBird]

There was a question about bars in another thread so I figured I would direct people here.

[DonaldMReif]

Interestingly, those photos of detachable chairs without safety bars are dated because they appear to come from the Collins and Sugarloaf lifts at Alta, which as of the past few years now have safety bars on them, as does Supreme.

To me, there's a noticeable difference between detachable chairs with footrests and those without them. Detachable chairs without footrests look funny and those with footrests look great. Although I have to admit that may be because I ski at areas like Vail and Breckenridge where all of the detachables have footrests. I mean, it's easy to see when comparing the Gemini Express and Olympia Express at Winter Park as the Gemini Express only has the handles and the Olympia Express has footrests, yet both have the Arceaux Poma chair.

[snoloco]

I think everything but the Ski Baba/Grommet double at Mount Snow have safety bars. I don't think that detachable chairs without footrests look weird as Mountain Creek has no footrests on any of their Doppelmayr lifts, so I am used so seeing them.

[SkiDaBird]

DonaldMReif, on 23 November 2014 - 07:22 PM, said:

Interestingly, those photos of detachable chairs without safety bars are dated because they appear to come from the Collins and Sugarloaf lifts at Alta, which as of the past few years now have safety bars on them, as does Supreme.

To me, there's a noticeable difference between detachable chairs with footrests and those without them. Detachable chairs without footrests look funny and those with footrests look great. Although I have to admit that may be because I ski at areas like Vail and Breckenridge where all of the detachables have footrests. I mean, it's easy to see when comparing the Gemini Express and Olympia Express at Winter Park as the Gemini Express only has the handles and the Olympia Express has footrests, yet both have the Arceaux Poma chair.

Collins is the left, Loaf is the 2nd left, I'm assuming Crest is 2nd right although I'm not positive. Right is Wasatch.

[DonaldMReif]

It could be Crest, since Crest is a clockwise high speed quad and that chair is on a clockwise lift.

[snoloco]

On older Doppelmayrs with no footrests, the stops were placed just above the arm rests toward the back of the chair. Mountain Creek's 3 lifts with EJ chairs have this. However, on newer lifts, they took away the stops and added the annoying handles that Poma safety bars have to serve as the stops. Those things are super annoying and hit you in the head every time the bar comes down. At Mountain Creek, almost no one uses the safety bar, so I don't expect it to come down most of the time. I only really use it if someone else on the chair wants it down, if I want to use the footrest on a lift that has them, if I'm at a place that requires it, or if I am adjusting my helmet and I need to strap it on there. I don't have any issue whatsoever if someone else on the chair wants it down, but it is super irritating when a tourist slams it down seconds after loading before I'm fully in the chair and it hits me in the head. I have given my helmet a good beating, but at least my head hasn't gotten hurt. When I go there with my gopro camera, I am worried that it will get ripped off my helmet if the safety bar hits it too hard. I guess I just have to put my hand on the bar to make sure it doesn't come down till I'm fully in the chair and in a position where it won't hit me.

[SkiDaBird]

DonaldMReif, on 25 November 2014 - 09:20 AM, said:

It could be Crest, since Crest is a clockwise high speed quad and that chair is on a clockwise lift.

I made the assumption since I knew the other 3 and Crest is the only lift in UT with DS grips.

[MtBakerSkier]

Is it me or does it seem like safety bars are more prevalent than ever? Even places like Mt. Baker are starting to add them.. Pretty sad for someone who skis the northwest. :(

[liftmech]

I liken them to power windows in your car. Once an option, now standard (especially since most people seem to expect them).

[floridaskier]

Alta added them to their detachables in the last few years (since I was last there). They have the kind with lots of handles between each person and everyone's legs

[DonaldMReif]

I think Supreme has them as well.