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#1 Peter

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Posted 26 November 2006 - 11:00 AM

From Skiingbc.info (WBSKI's site):

An interview with Mr Forseth, VP of Operations at Whistler mentioned several lifts coming before the Olympics:

1. A yes or no to the Peak to Peak from Fortress will likely come in the next 60 days.
2. A new lift to Timing Flats for the Olympic Races (the housing development part way up Creekside Gondola and to your left.
3. A lift to service the fancy Kadenwood development (on the right of the Creekside Gondola). This is not for sure but likely.

What about the Crystal Express on Blackcomb? Anyone know a timeline for that lift?

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 08:14 AM

I havent heard anything on Crystal, I asked them at the Snow Show and they said they didnt know

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 08:12 PM

Not right within Whistler - but Callaghan Valley, the venue just down the road will have most of the Nordic and Ski Jumping events. It is scheduled to have an aerial lift underway with in the next construction season on two

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 12:33 PM

Article from Pique Newsmagazine.

Tax break for Whistler-Blackcomb’s Peak to Peak
"Would have jeopardized our relationship not to," mayor says

Published Date: 2007-03-08 Time: 10:07:28

By Vivian Moreau

Despite giving a Whistler-Blackcomb subsidiary a six-figure annual tax break for the next five years, Whistler’s mayor insists the municipality’s political leaders are not in the company’s pockets and are instead looking out for the community’s best interests.

Council voted 5-2 on Monday evening (March 5) to give a five-year $150,000-$200,000 annual property tax exemption to support construction of the $51.4 million Peak to Peak gondola connecting Whistler and Blackcomb mountains.

Dave Brownlie, the company’s chief operating officer, in his presentation to council, said the exemption is necessary in order to provide an adequate investment return for Peak 2 Peak Ltd., the Whistler-Blackcomb subsidiary formed to construct the project.

Mayor Ken Melamed supported the tax break that is allowable under the recently-amended Community Charter that permits exemptions up to five years to companies undertaking major improvements.

“This project will have a spectacular impact on our resort globally,” Melamed said, adding that he “sees very strongly the business case” for the gondola that Brownlie maintains should boost occupancy rates five per cent once the 4.4 kilometre lift is up and running in 2008.

The gondola terminals will be adjacent to Whistler’s Roundhouse and Blackcomb’s Rendezvous restaurants. The lift spans Fitzsimmons Creek with just four towers, allowing 4,000 skiers and snowboarders per hour access to alpine areas on either mountain. The proposed gondola aims to break height (415 metres) and distance (2.9 km between towers) records and will attract visitors from around the world, Brownlie said.

“It will help support sustainability as a world resort,” he said, “...and protect our winter product in a changing world environment.” Separate tickets will be needed to ride one of the 26, 30-person cabins, estimated to be about $10 daily or $59-$79 for a season’s pass holder, he said.

In addition to the mayor, four other councillors supported the tax break request, but two, Nancy Wilhelm- Morden and Eckhard Zeidler, did not.

“Why should we be asked to subsidize a deep-pocketed company?” Wilhelm-Morden asked, adding that the break sounded like “cash harvesting that would be value-enhanced through our subsidy.” Wilhelm-Morden also asked Brownlie why a separate company was formed for the project and whether it could be sold in future.

The company was formed in order to provide liability protection, Brownlie responded, and said seeing as the gondola spans two mountains operated by Whistler-Blackcomb, the company would not be easy to sell.

The mayor defended council’s decision afterward saying the practice of giving tax breaks to corporations in order to undertake improvements is commonly used by other towns and cities. And although he admitted not granting the exemption would have jeopardized the municipality’s relationship with the corporation he insisted council acted on its own accord.

“The implication that they make decisions for us is ludicrous,” Melamed said. “Whistler-Blackcomb doesn’t tell us what to do.”

Construction of the lift could begin in May of this year, once Whistler-Blackcomb resolves internal structuring details, and should take 18 months to complete, said Doug Forseth, the company’s top operations vice-president.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 08:03 AM

Crystal is off the radar. If it happens it will be some years away. I have heard that VANOC don't have their act together and the Timing flats lift and the Kadenwood lift will be delayed until next summer (2008). I have no info at all on anything in the Callaghan. I could only assume that it would be for the ski jump site, and that is temporary as far as I know. Hope to have the official announcement of the peak to peak in the next few weeks. It would make sense to do it during the ski and snowboard festival in April when there is a lot of media in town. We'll see what happens.
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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:44 PM

View PostAussierob, on Mar 25 2007, 08:03 AM, said:

Crystal is off the radar. If it happens it will be some years away. I have heard that VANOC don't have their act together and the Timing flats lift and the Kadenwood lift will be delayed until next summer (2008). I have no info at all on anything in the Callaghan. I could only assume that it would be for the ski jump site, and that is temporary as far as I know. Hope to have the official announcement of the peak to peak in the next few weeks. It would make sense to do it during the ski and snowboard festival in April when there is a lot of media in town. We'll see what happens.


What is the pondered allignment for the Crystal lift? Same as the current lift, of further down the mtn side to increase vertical? thanks

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 09:01 PM

This is the liftline and the current Crystal chair would most likely stay even after the new one is built.

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 07:41 PM

View PostSkier, on Mar 26 2007, 09:01 PM, said:

This is the liftline and the current Crystal chair would most likely stay even after the new one is built.


Thanks. Wasn't there a lift in this location years ago? If so, why was it taken down? Its probably common knowledge, but I don't know it.

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 08:59 PM

No, I don't think there was ever a lift, although the liftline has been cut for years.
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Posted 29 March 2007 - 04:22 AM

There never was a lift there. The lift line was cut the year before the lift was originally going to be installed. We would use that alignment if the new lift does go in. There has been discussion about making the new lift longer and moving the bottom downhill further. Have to wait and see if that happens.
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