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[Duck]

So yeah, Espace Killy's L'Olympique and Kitzbuhel's 3S Safari Express make me tingle!



What other installtaions of this type (detachable 2 track ropes + 1 haul rope, large cabins) are there from Doppelmayr? I can't think of any. The one at Kitzbuhel just totally is unbeliveable, I'm trying to plan a trip to Europe for snowboarding to hit up at least these two. :)

It is sad to me that probably the most complicated or modern lift in North America is the only Funitel, at Squaw...?

-Iain

This post has been edited by Duck: 24 June 2005 - 03:17 PM

[SkiBachelor]

Rob mentioned that Whistler/ Blackcomb is planning on installing one of those to connect the two resorts.

[floridaskier]

30 passenger cabins
Some stats on this lift, with a bunch more pictures
http://www.seilbahnt.../2033/datas.php

Visit lift-world.info

[Zage]

Here is another one by Doppelmayr.
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Check out this one built in 1929. Sweet
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[Duck]

Awesome find, Tyler! Any info or background on either of those systems?

-Iain

[SkiBachelor]

The one that Zage found that he mentions as a Doppelmayr is a Von Roll and is located in Switzerland. I think it was installed in 1992, but I could be wrong.

[Aussierob]

SkiBachelor, on Jun 24 2005, 07:07 PM, said:

The one that Zage found that he mentions as a Doppelmayr is a Von Roll and is located in Switzerland. I think it was installed in 1992, but I could be wrong.
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You're nearly correct. The newer Doppelmayrs are based on the the same design. The Saas Fee tram was installed as two sections, the First in '91 and the second in '94. We're hoping the company can get the financing together to build one here.

[Zage]

I have a bit of info on the old one I posted. It was built in 1929 by PWH in Friburgo Germany, It's quite a spectacular system for the 1920's.

[Jonni]

That's awesome! Especially for 1929. I've always dreamed of a detachable tram, but here's a kicker for everybody: Would a detachable tram that has it's cabins come to a complete stop in the terminals (for a short period time), be fesible? I've thought about it, and so far to make it work you would have to have carrier spacing in the hundreds to thousands of feet to make it work. But it would be a question of making one carrier leave each terminal, while another entered the terminal.

[Duck]

To have them stop in the terminal would be no big deal... The cabins on the 3S at Espace Killy and Kitzbuhel stop for a short period of time anyway for spacing (cadencing).

It'd be a programming thing, you just bring it in to a section of rail where you can separatley control that bank of drive tires, and stop the cabin. As long as the interval is the same between cabins overall, there's no loss in throughput.

The cabins are already spaced so far apart on both the systems I mentioned that stopping in the terminal would absolutely be possible, you've got many seconds of time in there where they could stop (the exact time could be calculated by measuring interval, and subtracting the time it takes for the length of one car to pass by you in the terminal at the slowest point - and that's how long you'd have to stop).

-Iain

[edmontonguy]

Usually most cadencing tire systems in most lifts is run off the central drive power though a series of belts and such which leads to the flexability of the system being fairly minimal. If each section were run using a varable speed electric motor there would be no problem with accelerating and deacelerating as well as moving the cabin and stoping the cabin in the terminal.

[Duck]

A separate small bank of tires somewhere in the low-speed section is used on high speed detachable lifts to facilitate spacing/cadencing - this bank of tires speeds up or slows down the chair to maintain the proper line spacing. So, on any gondola or chair system, you could stop chairs briefly if you really wanted to program it that way. :)

-Iain

[Aussierob]

The fundamental problem with stopping cabins is loading/unloading the passengers. If you decide to stop the cabin, you have to stop it until the load/unload finishes. If you don't the cabins will start moving while someone is trying to get on or off. If you keep the cabin moving at a constant slow speed, the passengers can adjust for the motion of the cabin. Short version is, while it is technically easy to stop cabins, practically it doesn't work. You would need to remove 2/3rds of the cabins off most lifts to get enough spacing distance, therfore, not enough capacity.

[heavenly_romer]

If unloading all those people was that difficult, couldn't they make some kind of platform that moves at the same speed as the cabins in the terminal? That way, the people on the moving platform would be moving at the same speed as the cabin, making for an easier loading process.

[edmontonguy]

Too many parts to be preactical. The cost would outway all benefits.

[Duck]

Moving floors are very common in the amusement industry, actually!

http://waltdatedworl...om/494c9190.png

-Iain

This post has been edited by Duck: 27 June 2005 - 03:11 AM

[poloxskier]

Well it sounds like a good idea to me having moving floors but there seems to be enough trouble to get people to walk in ski boots on flat motionless ground. You add in stepping onto a moving walkway and you may see people taking some spills.

[Duck]

Yup. :) I was just saying that it's been done before. Although I think stepping onto a moving floor, and then into a (relativley) stationary gondola cabin is easier than steping up and into a moving cabin. But I agree, the added complexity and cost probably isn't worth it.

It was fun riding a gondola for the first time this year for me, at Mt. Tremblant. I'm a pretty tall guy, and I have huge feet/boots, so it was pretty funny learning how to climb on in.

-Iain