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[iceberg210]

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Any more news about the proposed SkiUtah interconnect?

No it seems like this idea may fail once again as it seems that the demand just isn't there for the huge investment needed to build all the infastructure to make it work along with arguements of who would operate certain interconnected lifts. I don't see it happening anytime soon but I may be wrong.

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In chewing the fat with some friends, the comment came up that PCMR may nix McConkey's Express. Anyone like to confirm, debunk the rumor, etc.,

I highly doubt this as what would they do for the lift there then replace it with something else I would think that the cost to remove it and replace it would nix any gains from operating costs etc. Also there3 still is that possibility of a Deer Valley PCMR connect which would need McConkey's to be that high of capacity as thats why it was built a six pack i believe.

[sd40t-2]

You bring up a good point.

While I can't understand it either, other than I understand that McConkeys just doesn't get enough traffic to justify it's current placement. This is third hand knowledge and I'm just repeating what I've heard.

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highspeedquad, on Mar 4 2005, 08:33 AM, said:

Why would they get rid of McConkeys?
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[iceberg210]

Well mabey if they were doing to replace Thaynes or something with Mconkeys or King Con and then use the other lift to replace McKonkeys mabey I just don't see why you would get rid of it although I do admit it isn't used up to its potential capacity.

[djspookman]

At Smuggler's Notch Resort there were talks of putting a new (one of Loon's Hall Doubles) at #1, and a Triple at #3, with a proposed install date of 2004-2005ish. For the past 10-15 years, there have been talks of a lift (not sure the capacity) going in at #2, to access the Morse Bowl. There is great terrain in this area, and would help disperse the weekend crowds a little more.

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dave

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[SkiBachelor]

Wern't there plans at one time connecting Smuggs to Stowe?

I kind of doubt at PCMR will remove the McConkeys HSS just because it would cost a lot of money and there is no place on the mountain that needs a HSS. Thaynes is way too short of a lift to replace it with a HSS.

However, there are talks about Mt. Bachelor getting a HSS for next season which would replace the Pine Marten HSQ. Maybe Powdr is thinking about replacing it with the McConkeys HSS?

[iceberg210]

That could be possible that they're selling it to someone else although it is nice for them to take the parts off of when they need them. However when I suggested Thaynes I was just thinking outloud obvioiuly know that I think about it it is far to short to require a HSS but my point was that mabey they would relocate McConkey's where its high capacity could be better utilized.

[SkiBachelor]

Powdr wouldn't be selling the lift, because it owns Mt. Bachelor.

[NoPainNoJane]

Kicking Horse, on Mar 3 2005, 11:51 PM, said:

a six pack going to the top of timberline is overkill. timberline would do fine with a hsq zep should be a  hss / gondola.

Are there any plans to replace sunnyside with a hs lift?
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A lot of us at WP/MJ agree that it is overkill. IMO the line at Timberline right now is a huge deterent that stops less than able skiers/snowboarders from going up. With a HSS going in, I think the line will be minimal if non-existent. This will most likely result in a lot of people going up who shouldn't be up there.

In regard to Sunnyside, I've been told that it will stay as a triple. It should get some pretty long lines though once Timberline is upgraded so I wouldn't be surprised if a project is added shortly there after to upgrade it as well.

highspeedquad, on Mar 4 2005, 09:11 AM, said:

The HSS that is replacing Timberline starts at the base of the current Sunnyside. Will that lift have a midstation at the base of the Timberline for loading and/or unloading?

The Zephyr definitely could use an upgrade to a HSS.
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No midstation as they are going to cut a new line through Swede's Ridge for the lift.

Zephyr won't be upgraded to a HSS as the only time the lines are bad is when the hill first opens each morning. After that the only other busy time is right after the lunch hour.

[floridaskier]

I also thought they only built it as a six pack for the possibility of a DV interconnect. Same when DV installed the Ruby HSQ, although that could have been so more people would go there. I guess they would replace it with an HSQ?

Did PCMR just severly overestimate the number of people going to McConkey's, forsee a DV interconnect, buy it for spare parts for its other three sixes, or something else?

[djspookman]

SkiBachelor, on Mar 4 2005, 01:44 PM, said:

Wern't there plans at one time connecting Smuggs to Stowe?


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yes, there is an interconenct trail from the top of Sterling at Smuggs to the Big Spruce area at Stowe. They used to offer a ticket that would allow you to ski both areas, but then it worked its way down to only one-ride up, then now its kaput. They don't offer any deal anymore. It was nice while it lasted though! Now, its an hour hike thru the notch if you decide to ski over from either area.

dave

[highspeedquad]

I do agree, it would be very unethical to remove the McConkeys.

So to get to the top of the current timberline you would have to go to the base of the Sunnyside? It sounds like the are making it harder than it should be. I agree, A HSS to replace the Suunyside and the Timberline is overkill. I think that a HSQ would suffice. Also, would that lift make a turn at the top of the current Sunnyside/base of the current Timberline or make a straight line to the top?

[floridaskier]

unethical
(adj) 1: not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices"
2: not adhering to ethical or moral principles; "base and unpatriotic motives"; "a base, degrading way of life"; "cheating is dishonorable"; "they considered colonialism immoral"; "unethical practices in handling public funds"

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I wouldn't go that far, but it would be a little disappoinging

[Kicking Horse]

a hsq up timberline would be fine. then a hsq up sunnyside to get hte people out of that area. As sunnyside is the only way out unless you ski to teh base of Mary jane which is somewhat flat in spots.

[iceberg210]

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unethical
(adj) 1: not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior; "unethical business practices"
2: not adhering to ethical or moral principles; "base and unpatriotic motives"; "a base, degrading way of life"; "cheating is dishonorable"; "they considered colonialism immoral"; "unethical practices in handling public funds"

Zack you would make a great LD (lincoln Douglas) debater(the type of debate I do for our school). Definitional debate just beautiful. Anyway I don't think that PCMR is morrally obligated to keep McConkey's unless God loves six pack which very well may be. Sorry HSQ I had to give you a hard time.

Anyway one rumour that has come up again is the Solitude parking lot interconnect although I still doubt this will ever happen.

[SkiBachelor]

The Solitude parking lot interconnect isn't a rumour. It's actually a planned lift because I read about it in the SLC Times a few years ago. It will be pulse gondola and I don't know why everyone is freaking out about it.

[NoPainNoJane]

highspeedquad, on Mar 4 2005, 01:40 PM, said:

So to get to the top of the current timberline you would have to go to the base of the Sunnyside? It sounds like the are making it harder than it should be. I agree, A HSS to replace the Suunyside and the Timberline is overkill. I think that a HSQ would suffice. Also, would that lift make a turn at the top of the current Sunnyside/base of the current Timberline or make a straight line to the top?
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Sunnyside stays, no changes are planned for it to be upgraded, even though I think a quad would be better than the triple. Doesn't have to be a HSQ, but something to relieve the weekend lines that are created at that lift.

Timberline gets removed 100% and a new HSS somewhat replaces it. Rather than using the existing lift line, a new one is cut from where the base of Sunnyside is at to the summit of the existing Timberline lift. In doing so, not only is the lift line cut through Swede's Ridge, but it is also gladed extensively so the trees aren't so tight. There would be no mid-station and no turns in the lift. Overkill in my opinion as far as capacity is concerned as well as ruining a great part of the mountain.

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[Owen]

I e-mailed Intrawest to see if they had placed a bid at Apex in 1995, and this is the reply I got.

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Thank you for your enquiry about Apex. As a public company, Intrawest does not comment on rumours and even though this is an historical question, we cannot respond one way or the other. Sorry.

Ross Meacher
Corporate Secretary and Chief Privacy Officerp

Was worth a try.

[highspeedquad]

That, fine, iceberg210, floridaskier, I just couldn't think of the word I wanted. I think it was unpractical.

I think that they should do something instead of what WP is planning now as far as the Timberline replacement. I think they should rip out Sunnyside and Timberline, make a HSQ running from the current base of Sunnyside to the top of it/base of timberline, have a midstation for loading and unloading, turn it, then take it to the top of the Timberline. Oh, well.

[iceberg210]

I don't think anyone is freaking out about it but it may be that Solitude is using it as leverage like Snowbird did with the conference center to get the enviromentalists off thier backs on some ideas. Anyway Solitude doesn't really need the gondola anyway as they do have link and even if they will build it I'm sure Moonbeam Express and other lift replacements are further on top of thier list then the gondola.

[spunkyskier01]

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yes, there is an interconenct trail from the top of Sterling at Smuggs to the Big Spruce area at Stowe. They used to offer a ticket that would allow you to ski both areas, but then it worked its way down to only one-ride up, then now its kaput. They don't offer any deal anymore. It was nice while it lasted though! Now, its an hour hike thru the notch if you decide to ski over from either area.

dave
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[/quotedidnt some one fall thru the lake tha you would have to cross to get from one ski area to the next, plus, if you look at the map, it shows their is a trail going to no were, thats where the connection is, and their is also a trail that leads in that direction too on stows map.