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[Whistler]

O.K. I'm a little confused with the whole Doppelmayr/Garaventa CTEC thing and the options resorts can chose when constructing a new lift.
-For Doppelmayr CTEC FG lifts, is it only the Garaventa CTEC chair available?
-What about FG line equipment. Is it CTEC or Doppelmayr?
-The FG grip?
-For HS Lifts, can a resort choose the CTEC chair? or is the Doppelmayr carrier only available?
-What about the line equipment?
Thanks!

[SkiBachelor]

When I talked to Jerry from Doppelmayr CTEC, he told me that all the new lifts from now on will have Garaventa carriers while starting next yearm everything the haul rope touches will be Doppelmayr line gear. So sheaves, bullwheel, etc, but I presume Doppelmayr CTEC will still be making it's own drive terminals for fixed grip lifts like it has in the past.

The carriers that are used on all the new lifts now arn't Garaventa CTEC carriers, just Garaventa.

I hope that answers your question.

The CTEC HSQ carriers are no longer in production.

[liftmech]

I believe you still have a choice between the CTEC grip (unchanged under Garaventa) or the Doppelmayr grip.

[SkiBachelor]

The Garaventa AK 400 grips are gone now. The only grips you can choose from are the TB series or the Agamatic grip.

[poloxskier]

What are the differences in the available grips?

[SkiBachelor]

I presume you know what the TB grip is, it's used on the Summit and Santiago Express lifts at Keystone. The Agamatic grip is a coil spring grip, it's used on the Birds of Prey Express at BC.

[liftmech]

I was actually referring to the fixed grips. The TB is what I work on (a Poma grip), you must mean the DS.

[poloxskier]

Ok so the old and new are both available. Is there an advantage to either over the other? Are there many new lifts being built with the DS grip?

[edmontonguy]

The DS has internal springs which are enclosed in metal canisters. The Agamatic has exposed springs like the Omega. I think the DS would be more resistant to wear and it is somewhat more compact.

[SkiBachelor]

No, I was talking about the detachable grip for Doppelmayr CTEC. The Doppelmayr spring grip (DS) has been out of service since 95 I believe, last used on the Cabriolet at Tremblant. The Doppelmayr torsion bar grips (DT) is still available along with the Agamatic.

[poloxskier]

Are there any pics of the DT on the gallery? If I have seen them I have not noticed, I'm just trying to get an idea of what it looks like.

[SkiBachelor]

[poloxskier]

Ok thanks for the information.
Is the spring grip similar to the Torsion Bar grip but with springs?

[SkiBachelor]

No, if you look at the Peru Express at Keystone in the chairlift gallery, you will see how it's a lot different than the torsion bar.

[poloxskier]

I see, thats the one I thought you were saying was no longer in production. Is the one that isn't made anymore the style that was on the original Quicksilver at Breck?

[SkiBachelor]

The torsion bar grip is still being manufactured, but the spring kind on Peru isn't.

[edmontonguy]

The type on Peru is the type which is no longer in production. It was discontinued in 95 like Cameron said. The torsion bar grip is still in production. This grip was featured on all doppelmayrs from 95-2000 and is still available. The spring grip (the agamatic) which is similar to the AK grip from garventa is also available.

The exposed spring type is what is being manufactured.

This post has been edited by edmontonguy: 28 February 2005 - 11:28 PM

[poloxskier]

Oh gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

[floridaskier]

Neither one of these is still being used on CTEC lifts. I don't know if they're still manufactured by Agamatic, but they're not the sme as the Agamatic grip you're talking about.

Have a look. This is the coil spring grip, but the new torsion bar grip has the same shape, minus the springs. Notice how it's not as tall and much wider, with a bigger stabilizer and depression roller. The stabilizer arm (if that's the name) is much longer too

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Here's the Agamatic grip

[SkiBachelor]

The AK grips that are used on Ruby, Quincy, etc are not Agamatic, bust instead just Garaventa. Agamatic was actually purchased by Doppelmayr somewhere around 2000 I think. So even though the grips looks sort of the same, they arn't really.