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[jeffgladnick]

Hey Guys,

I have to permanently attach some lift tower signs to the tower. The signs are HUGE, 6ft x 3ft. What is the best place to attach them, and whats the best method?

-jeff

[Allan]

We use half inch banding to hold a 2x4 (make sure the 2x4 has notches for the banding to sit in) and then lag bolt the signs to the 2x4. This is how we hold 2 2x3 signs on in areas with winds that can reach speeds in excess of 100kph.

[jeffgladnick]

Allan, on Dec 22 2004, 09:08 AM, said:

We use half inch banding to hold a 2x4 (make sure the 2x4 has notches for the banding to sit in) and then lag bolt the signs to the 2x4.  This is how we hold 2 2x3 signs on in areas with winds that can reach speeds in excess of 100kph.
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Thanks! Thats what we will do then!

[ccslider]

In Colorado, there is a code requirement (CPTSB code, not B77) that signs in excess of a defined sq footage have to be approved by a qualified state engineer - the concern is about the stress loading on the tower by excessive sail area. I'll bet that John can pull up the code reference.

[liftmech]

I'll take a look. My guess is that your signs are too big for CO, Jeff, and that you'll have to place them in the maze area or on a banner support near the top of the lift. 3'x6' is awfully big for a tower even without code restrictions.

[ccslider]

And, Colorado codes aside, the ANSI B77 code requires minimum vertical and horizontal clearances from the chair. I believe the minimum vertical clearance is 5 feet measured from the top of the chair seat to the obstruction and the horizontal is something like 4 feet unless the obstruction is an essential lift component (like a tower). Furthermore, there is the 15 degrees of free swing arc required before the chair meets an obstruction (like a tower).

All these factors need to be considered in where you place the sign on the tower tube. Given the height and size of your sign, you'll most likely have to move it well down the tower.

[liftmech]

You didn't mention which area you want ot attach these signs?

[jeffgladnick]

liftmech, on Dec 23 2004, 04:52 AM, said:

You didn't mention which area you want ot attach these signs?
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Ahh, well they are going in Virginia, NY, and Maine.

The next ones will have to be smaller, just to avoid this issue. I should have asked here first.

[ccslider]

So are these signs:
A. relevant to the operation of the lift,
B. skier safety related,
C. skier information (trail signs or environmental awareness)
D. or product and promotional advertising?

Just an opinion, but I'm not all that keen on the last category but think signs dealing with the other subjects are just fine.

This post has been edited by ccslider: 24 December 2004 - 06:13 AM

[jeffgladnick]

ccslider, on Dec 24 2004, 06:12 AM, said:

So are these signs:
A. relevant to the operation of the lift,
B. skier safety related,
C. skier information (trail signs or environmental awareness)
D. or product and promotional advertising?

Just an opinion, but I'm not all that keen on the last category but think signs dealing with the other subjects are just fine.
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Well they are a little bit of all of the above.

You judge yourself, suggestions welcome: http://www.snorhino....er_Signs_05.jpg

Stuff people pass on here IS considered, as it has been in the past. Also, what do you guys recommend for sign dimensions in the future?

Our goal is to educated riders about our product. We wanted our logo somewhere just so that people had some idea of what product they were using, but our websites not even on there, and skiiers/snowboarders aren't our actual customer, so its not exactly advertising. Besides, doppelmayr poma have their logo on every tower.

-jeff

[snowboardguy]

you should make it like those big stickers you see on towers

[iceberg210]

Quick warning on the binding idea:

Although banding will work in my experience with it while working at my Grandma's sawmill that binding can be tough and dangerous if not done correctly and I am guessing it gets tougher when working up on a tower comparably to working down on the ground. Besides saying be careful there is only one thing that I also suggest which is to make sure your clip is tightly securing the band together as a couple times I've taken off the strecher only to have the band fly back in my face.

[Allan]

the Z98 allows us to have advertising signs on all towers except the first and last three.

[jeffgladnick]

Allan, on Dec 24 2004, 09:12 PM, said:

the Z98 allows us to have advertising signs on all towers except the first and last three.
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a Few questions:

1) Would this be considered an advertisement considering
- the people on the lifts are not, and can not be our customers
- its not encouraging a purchase, merely encouraging use of a product already there
- instructional in nature.

Ideally, I think these signs would work best on the 2nd tower, since you are settled in now, and people arent looking around or trying to put the bar down or yelling behind them to their friends.

[Shawn]

jeffgladnick, on Dec 22 2004, 07:55 AM, said:

Hey Guys,

I have to permanently attach some lift tower signs to the tower.  The signs are HUGE, 6ft x 3ft.  What is the best place to attach them, and whats the best method?

-jeff
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Thats an awful big sign will the chairs clear it, what is the line gauge on this lift?

[liftmech]

ANSI B.77: Chairs must clear an obstacle by at least 24 inches when the chair is swung 15 degrees from the vertical. Being as one can touch a chair quite easily from the tower when it's swung in that far, I'd say your 3' wide signs won't cut it.
One other suggestion: contact individual resorts as you did with us for your test run. I have still not heard any feedback on the SnoRhino; every time I see those chairs there are four skiers and no snowboarders. :(

[jeffgladnick]

liftmech, on Dec 25 2004, 04:48 PM, said:

ANSI B.77: Chairs must clear an obstacle by at least 24 inches when the chair is swung 15 degrees from the vertical. Being as one can touch a chair quite easily from the tower when it's swung in that far, I'd say your 3' wide signs won't cut it.
One other suggestion: contact individual resorts as you did with us for your test run. I have still not heard any feedback on the SnoRhino; every time I see those chairs there are four skiers and no snowboarders. :(
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We canned the guy in Colorado, he wasn't following up with clients very well. We hired a new guy in portland, lets hope he does better! The device is not intuitive by itself, and many snowboarders have never even thought about a snowboard footrest before. It will take a little education (lift tower signs) and word of mouth for people to figure it out, especially when its only on one or two lifts.

Also, we have improved to a new model then the ones we sent out to copper. At present it is a little difficult for us to support ops in colorado because of distance. Once we get a good base in the NE, which is coming along quite nicely, we can start to really get things rolling in colorado.

-jeff