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[SkiBachelor]

Today I called Jerry up at Doppelmayr CTEC in Sacramento and talked to him about the future of Doppelmayr CTEC's lifts. We had a pretty good conversation about lifts and I might try to meet up with him in the future the next time I come to California. However, I still have questions to ask Jerry and would like to know if you have any questions that you would like me to ask him, since I might call him later this week.

Starting next year, all of the lifts that Doppelmayr CTEC build will have Doppelmayr line equipement and this applies to both fixed grip and detachable lifts. Basically, anything that the haul rope touches will be Doppelmayr, including the grips.

There will be no more Stealth 3 terminals manufactured next year, although the UNI-G, UNI-GS will still be available, but the UNI-G will cost more since it's made over in Europe. And if you're not interested in purchasing either of these terminals, you have the option to also order the Garaventa MCS terminal if you wish. :)

Doppelmayr CTEC will no longer manufacturer the Doppelmayr carrier design and will stick with the Garaventa carrier design since there is lless maintenance and easier to load for small children. The Garaventa's carrier design is called the "Vail" carrier.

Resorts will still have the option of choosing either the TB or Agamatic detachable grip still.

The reason why Doppelmayr CTEC designed the UNI-GS in the first place was because it wanted to make it easier for lift mechanics to work on stuff, like the acceleration and deceleration rails. The equipement inside the UNI-GS terminal is all UNI-G equipement, but Doppelmayr CTEC decided to modify the terminal to make it higher so people wouldn't be hitting their heads on stuff too. This is the reason why the terminal looks so bulky.

The new HSQ at Mammoth actually uses the UNI-GS six-pack terminal design so the lift could be easily upgraded in the future.

The UNI-GS also uses the Allan Bradly Genesis computer system.

[KZ]

Sounds good, maybe a MCS or to will be over here in the near future. It really doesnt suprise me that Schoolyard is on a six-pack frame because late last season the mechanic on their forums said they were thinking of building a 6-pack, but then later stated it was overkill. That seems to be Mammoth's strategy for new lifts as that is the same thing done on Eagle for gondola conversion.

Any particular reason they are going with all Doppelmayr line equipment?

[SkiBachelor]

It's probably better equipement and there is no reason to have different line equipement for fixed grip and detachable lifts when it could be the same, like sheaves and stuff.

[KZ]

Yea that makes sense. I hadnt seen a doppctec fixed lift so i actually wasnt aware that they were using ctec line gear.

[floridaskier]

Yep, the FGs seem to be 100% CTEC. The Judge lift at DV, it's got their terminals, chairs, towers, sheaves, and shacks, only difference are the logos.
Was the Doppelmayr style FG lift still available for this year?

[SkiBachelor]

I would think it would be, but shipped over from Europe rather than made here.

[edmontonguy]

Are there any major differences between the garventa and doppelmayr chair designs?

[KZ]

They are pretty similar but the backrest and hanger arms are a bit different. I actually find the garaventa chairs a bit more comfortable when they have full pads on.

[liftmech]

Cameron, did Jerry mention if they will continue to offer the CTEC style of drive bullwheel? We will most likely be replacing a few Yan bullwheels in the coming years and we like the CTEC style because it's got the Caterpillar planetary hub built into it. The gearbox is smaller as well because some of the reduction takes place in the bullwheel itself, within the Cat hub.
Interesting to hear about D-CTEC eliminating the Doppelmayr Model 37 carrier. It really hasn't changed in 20 years, and people like it that way.

[SkiBachelor]

I believe the CTEC style bullwheels will be discontinued as well because Jerry said anything the haul rope touches will be Doppelmayr equipement and the haul rope touches that. Your best bet is to probably order them now so you can maybe still get them if it's not too late by now. I mean CTEC could still be manufacturering its bullwheel design, but I doubt it from the way Jerry talked.

[coskibum]

carrier images

doppelmayr:



garaventa:

[SkiBachelor]

The reason why the Garaventa and Doppelmayr carriers kind of look the same is because Garaventa and Doppelmayr used to make each others carriers for a while. There is actually one Garaventa CTEC HSQ here in North America that actually has Doppelmayr's carrier design on it.

[floridaskier]

Which one is that?

[SkiBachelor]

I don't know where the lift is located, but it was just shown in a CTEC advertisement in SAM a long time ago.

[skiersage]

well,
it's about time we update the Dopp CTEC topic for lifts installed in 2005:
Detachables:
Terminals,
the only two terminals that have been used in north america for 2005 have been the Uni-G and The Uni-GS. The Uni-G is 100% Doppelmayr where as The Uni-GS seems to appear designed by both companies. The windows and skin appear to be all CTEC but with a Dopp theme however I am not sure If there is Dopp or
CTEC stuff on the inside.

Carriers,
So far all carriers have been the "vail" carrier also know to many as the garaventa carrier. I am not sure if the afformentioned carriers were actually a garaventa design though as they have been on pre garaventa CTEC HSQ's such as the Grouse Mtn express at beaver creek which was made by ctec alone.

Grips,
The DT series grips which are made by Dopp and the Agamatic grip which was made by neither Dopp or CTEC but rather by Agamatic. Having said that, dopp was the company that brought the agamatic grip over to north america in the first place. There has been no sightings of the AK 400.

Towers and line gear,
All Towers and line gear on detachables has been Dopp for the last two years eith the exeption of the First Time Express at PCMR which uses CTEC line gear because the triple before it did.

Fixed Grips is where there are issues

Fixed Grips:
Terminals,
All terminals are CTEC designs such as the Sprint, Orion, Pegasus, etc with the exception of the Uni-Star which is appears to also be a CTEC but with Dopp inspiration. Either way, Both the Uni-Star and Uni-GS are products of both companies.

Carriers,
Carriers for fixed grips are the same as the ones with detachables but they have CTEC hangar arms.

Grips,
From what has been seen, Fixed grips use the CTEC fixed grip but this could change as it was Dopp's plan to have

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everything touching the rope will be doppelmayr as of 2005

Towers and Line Gear,
The Big Easy lift at Heavenly is suppose to be the poster child of all Dopp CTEC fixed grips in my opinion. It is basically a Garaventa CTEC fixed quad but it has Dopp towers and sheaves. The plan was to have all lifts follow this setup as of 2005 however the
White Water lift at Tamarack is different.
As can be seen in this picture, This lift appears to have CTEC sheaves although it also appears that the three holes that CTEC sheaves have are missing. Either way these are not Doppelmayr as there is no red sheave just to name one reason. The towers in the distance also appear to be CTEC instead of Dopp. This Lift also has CTEC bullwheels (at least on the top). No matter how you look at it, It does not conform to having everything touching the haul rope being Doppelmayr rule that was set to go in effect as of 2005.

With all of that in mind, if you know any more info on lifts that were installed in 2005, I'm sure some of us would like to know.

[Allan]

Those look like Doppelmayr sheaves to me, maybe this resort chose to have the brittle card derail system to keep their inventory the same. The red sheave is a weighted sheave that causes the 2er to rotate and break the brittle fork - you don't need them with the brittle cards.

[liftmechanic]

skiersage, on Feb 11 2006, 10:56 PM, said:

well,
it's about time we update the Dopp CTEC topic for lifts installed in 2005:
Detachables:
Terminals,
the only two terminals that have been used in north america for 2005 have been the Uni-G and The Uni-GS. The Uni-G is 100% Doppelmayr where as The Uni-GS seems to appear designed by both companies. The windows and skin appear to be all CTEC but with a Dopp theme however I am not sure If there is Dopp or
CTEC stuff on the inside.

Carriers,
So far all carriers have been the "vail" carrier also know to many as the garaventa carrier. I am not sure if the afformentioned carriers were actually a garaventa design though as they have been on pre garaventa CTEC HSQ's such as the Grouse Mtn express at beaver creek which was made by ctec alone.

Grips,
The DT series grips which are made by Dopp and the Agamatic grip which was made by neither Dopp or CTEC but rather by Agamatic. Having said that, dopp was the company that brought the agamatic grip over to north america in the first place. There has been no sightings of the AK 400.

Towers and line gear,
All Towers and line gear on detachables has been Dopp for the last two years eith the exeption of the First Time Express at PCMR which uses CTEC line gear because the triple before it did.

Fixed Grips is where there are issues

Fixed Grips:
Terminals,
All terminals are CTEC designs such as the Sprint, Orion, Pegasus, etc with the exception of the Uni-Star which is appears to also be a CTEC but with Dopp inspiration. Either way, Both the Uni-Star and Uni-GS are products of both companies.

Carriers,
Carriers for fixed grips are the same as the ones with detachables but they have CTEC hangar arms.

Grips,
From what has been seen, Fixed grips use the CTEC fixed grip but this could change as it was Dopp's plan to have

Towers and Line Gear,
The Big Easy lift at Heavenly is suppose to be the poster child of all Dopp CTEC fixed grips in my opinion. It is basically a Garaventa CTEC fixed quad but it has Dopp towers and sheaves. The plan was to have all lifts follow this setup as of 2005 however the
White Water lift at Tamarack is different.
As can be seen in this picture, This lift appears to have CTEC sheaves although it also appears that the three holes that CTEC sheaves have are missing. Either way these are not Doppelmayr as there is no red sheave just to name one reason. The towers in the distance also appear to be CTEC instead of Dopp. This Lift also has CTEC bullwheels (at least on the top). No matter how you look at it, It does not conform to having everything touching the haul rope being Doppelmayr rule that was set to go in effect as of 2005.

With all of that in mind, if you know any more info on lifts that were installed in 2005, I'm sure some of us would like to know.

A couple of corrections for you if you will,
1. There is no such thing as a CTEC only built detach, The first one built by them was a partner deal w/Von Roll 1989@ Solitude-Eagle Express. Grouse Mtn @ Beaver Creek- Garaventa Grips,Tire Banks.
2. New Fix grips-Doppelmayr sheaves and line gear, different design of tower walkways. Bullwheels made in SLC.

[floridaskier]

Any idea if they're planning to go to just one type of detachable grip? I don't think it's a big issue, since the grips look like they can use the same terminal equipment, except for the depression rails

[lastchair_44]

for the new uni-gs quads you have two options...the AG-104 which is the agamatic dual coil spring grip, or the DT-104 which of course is the torsion bar grip

[skiersage]

Allan, on Feb 12 2006, 09:06 AM, said:

Those look like Doppelmayr sheaves to me, maybe this resort chose to have the brittle card derail system to keep their inventory the same. The red sheave is a weighted sheave that causes the 2er to rotate and break the brittle fork - you don't need them with the brittle cards.

here is how I justify them looking like CTEC's sheave design:

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The sheave train in question
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Doppelmayr sheave train