they would be worth it to you if you regularly ski in varied conditions - moguls, park, slush, ice, powder etc etc. then you would probably never turn back to another ski again. now I just wish I had the extra money to buy them!
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Started by Kicking Horse, Nov 14 2004 10:15 PM
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 07:04 AM
but then they tak eout the fun of skiing becaue any one thats an advanced skier like me, likes a challenge, having the ski tak eout the variable of snow conditions would really make me mad, i like having to adjust to the conditions and copeing with the mountain, not having my skis make every other day the same day.. do you get what i mean?
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 09:15 AM
pusher, on Nov 17 2004, 02:00 PM, said:
What the hell is a computerized ski???????????????????????????????
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Basicly, its set up to dampen out chatter or wobble when the get up to higher speeds on hardpack. It's not "switchable by the user but happens automatically.
K2 used a similar idea for a while with piezo-electrics, but now has gone to purely passive rubber dampening modules as once they got the rubber geometry right nobody could tell the difference with the chip on or off.
Sounds like marketiing BS, but when I skied with the first gen K2 X-15s I could feel the ride smooth out when the chip kicked in. It was kinda like turning on anti-shake control on a video camera.
Don't know where Pyro comes from talking about wood core skis dying over time as the opposite is my experience. I get well over 100 days on a set of skis before I rip out an edge or some other irreperable damage occurs from doing something stupid and the sticks stay lively the whole time as long as they are wood cored. Sollys and other foam cored brands feel like they lose thier pop after just 30 days. Lighter riders will get more life out of the foamys though.
As to the query about what skis to buy - the best way to do it is to find out when your local hill or ski shop is doing a Demo Day or you can rent "demo skis" at various shops & they will often let you apply the rental costs towards a purchase.
Since you're in the bumps a lot, try skis made for Slolom racing and other narrower models with around a 70mm waist.
Try this site's ski finder quiz to get a short list of brands and models to demo.
http://www.skimag.co...r/app/skifinder
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 09:55 PM
ski_Lift_modeler, on Nov 19 2004, 07:04 AM, said:
but then they tak eout the fun of skiing becaue any one thats an advanced skier like me, likes a challenge, having the ski tak eout the variable of snow conditions would really make me mad, i like having to adjust to the conditions and copeing with the mountain, not having my skis make every other day the same day.. do you get what i mean?
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yeah i see what you mean, if you dont want computerized skis its fine by me
come to think of it, I think i would rather have more "normal" skis anyways.
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 10:53 PM
A question regarding ski constrution, What type of core does a racing ski have? For X-C the move has been towards "aircore" or a honeycomb structure similar to an aircraftwing. Downhill skis put up with tonnes of abuse and is something like wood better in a race ski? And is weight a Factor?
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Depends. Some racing skis have a 'sandwich' construction. Others, like Volkl, are built with 'torsion box' construction. Plus there are many other variants and a myriad of components that contribute to the ski's performance. It really is a science and art.
A good place to learn the basics on technology and performance can be found at Ski Canada Magazine. Their yearly buyers guide gives a pretty good overview on what's hot and what they're made of. Their testing procedures are pretty comprehensive as well. Check their web site(www.skicanadamag.com/SkiCanada/home) for their tests (broken down by ski category) dating back at least a couple of years.
I find this helpful as I don't buy this year's models. Before shopping I make a list of highly rated candidates, demo them if possible - and wait a year. I then hit the shops before season and sometimes its a crap shoot. But last year I scored - basically getting a brand new pair of top end Volkls for just under $300. In Edmonton, Fritz's in the river valley is good place to go. He refuses to sell crap, and is willing to deal for cash - especially on his older stock!
Whatever you do, do your research first. I will lessen the chance of disappointment later.
A good place to learn the basics on technology and performance can be found at Ski Canada Magazine. Their yearly buyers guide gives a pretty good overview on what's hot and what they're made of. Their testing procedures are pretty comprehensive as well. Check their web site(www.skicanadamag.com/SkiCanada/home) for their tests (broken down by ski category) dating back at least a couple of years.
I find this helpful as I don't buy this year's models. Before shopping I make a list of highly rated candidates, demo them if possible - and wait a year. I then hit the shops before season and sometimes its a crap shoot. But last year I scored - basically getting a brand new pair of top end Volkls for just under $300. In Edmonton, Fritz's in the river valley is good place to go. He refuses to sell crap, and is willing to deal for cash - especially on his older stock!
Whatever you do, do your research first. I will lessen the chance of disappointment later.
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edmontonguy, on Nov 19 2004, 10:53 PM, said:
A question regarding ski constrution, What type of core does a racing ski have? For X-C the move has been towards "aircore" or a honeycomb structure similar to an aircraftwing. Downhill skis put up with tonnes of abuse and is something like wood better in a race ski? And is weight a Factor?
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Honeycomb skis are making a comback? Wow. I should take my old 1974 vintage Century 3.5s out for spin this winter. Aluminum Honeycomb/foamcore substructure, much like a torsion box, wrapped with fibreglas. Actually quite light and a great ski in powder.
I know there were other honeycomb models back then from a few manufacturers (Hart, Hexcel, Fullplast) but some had a tendency to blow apart because of adhesion problems with the aluminum. Century's solution was to inject foam into the honeycomb chambers, giving a wide surface area to bond the other materials to. The idea must have worked - I've skied the crap out of those boards!
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 02:59 PM
most professional skiers(by statistic) use atomic skis because the racing models are very lightweight, have a hybrid core, use cap construction, and have...(i forgot the name to it) large bumps along the side that keep the weight down while the mass is still there. I wonder if you even know what I'm talking about...
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 03:56 PM
I really like the skis I am currently skiing on - Dynastar Candides. They are from 2001, but make a great mogul ski. A little narrow for deep powder, but they handle everything else great. I am retiring them this year for some new 4frnt MSPs that I got on ProForm. The candides are just showing their age - 2 ripped out edges, 10+ core shots, etc.
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