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In short, the people from Mount Hood Meadows are wanting to start a new area on Mt Adams... but the Yakama (spelling intentional) aren't so sure that they want it. It should a interesting....
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Mt Adams Ski Area?
Started by Johnnyboy, Sep 16 2004 01:52 PM
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 03:43 AM
It sounds as if the proposal will die a quick and painless death. I think there's really no need for another ski area in that part of the state- who would come ski it? It will take years of aggressive marketing to build a destination resort- Crystal has tried and they haven't gone beyond day area status yet...
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 05:29 AM
liftmech, on Sep 17 2004, 03:43 AM, said:
It sounds as if the proposal will die a quick and painless death. I think there's really no need for another ski area in that part of the state- who would come ski it? It will take years of aggressive marketing to build a destination resort- Crystal has tried and they haven't gone beyond day area status yet...
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Well, with a lift access to 11,000' that in itself would be a good draw. It would also be much better for summer skiing then Hood and since its on Indian Reservation land the govt and wacko' groups don't usually hassle the Indian groups much for what they want to do compared to everyone else. I think that is the angle this new group is going on. My question was 'who would go?' ... Unless you spend big bucks to build a substantial resort the closest cities are Yakima and maybe Olympia, but I still don't even know if there are roads .......anyway, its a long ways off and I am doubtful it will happen but if a new resort was to open anywhere this is much more likely then any of the others I've heard of because its on Indian Resevation land and they could build Casino's and such..
Crystal Mtn. hasn't succeeded in being a destination because the Natl Forest restricts them from building much of anything at the base to allow them to become a destination. Without a village and/or hotels and such it is hard to be a destination resort.
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Here's another link about the proposed development: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/i...94106889030.xml
Or here it is directly:
Yakama tribe gets proposal for Mount Adams ski resort
Mt. Hood Meadows outlines an 11,000-acre project that would include a casino, housing, golf courses and cultural museum
Thursday, September 23, 2004
MARK LARABEE
Mt. Hood Meadows Development Corp. is proposing a destination resort on tribal land on Mount Adams in rural south-central Washington that would have 10 ski lifts and three 18-hole golf courses.
As presented to the Yakama Indian Nation, the 10,000-member tribe that owns the land, the resort would encompass 11,000 acres near Bird Creek Meadows. It's a popular area now used by campers, climbers, backcountry skiers and hikers.
Meadows' proposal includes eight chairlifts, a gondola and a tram that would take skiers as high as 11,100 feet above sea level from 5,400 feet -- the biggest vertical rise for any ski area in North or South America. It also proposes three golf courses, a spa, a casino and 2,500 housing units -- a mix of hotel rooms, condominiums and single-family homes. There also would be ski lodge and golf clubhouse buildings, plus a small village with restaurants and shops.
Meadows has struggled to build destination resorts at Government Camp and Cooper Spur on Mount Hood.
Dave Riley, Meadows general manager, said the project also would include the Yakama Nation Institute of Learning, which is envisioned as an interpretive center for classes and a museum to highlight the tribe's history and culture. He said everything from the building design to food would incorporate Yakama culture.
Although acknowledging opposition from environmental groups, Riley said Meadows will use cutting-edge building practices that focus on sustainability and environmental ethics.
"It's clear that if this resort is developed, the Yakama Nation will insist that it will be the most environmentally sensitive development in the history of resorts," Riley said. "At the end of the day, they are going to do what they think is right for their resources and their people."
At 12,276 feet, Mount Adams is the second-highest peak in Washington after 14,411-foot Mount Rainier. Its massive girth makes it the second-largest Cascade volcano in volume behind 14,162-foot Mount Shasta in California. But Adams is far from major towns, and a resort there would require significant road improvements to handle traffic, Riley said.
Ownership dispute
The mountain is not without controversy. For nearly five decades, the Yakama tribe battled with the U.S. government over its ownership. The tribe said boundary lines were incorrectly drawn after a surveying error. President Richard Nixon ended the dispute in 1972 when he signed over half the mountain to the tribe.
Tribal leaders acknowledge that such an aggressive development would drastically change the character of the mountain they hold sacred.
"Our understanding, even in a contemporary setting, is that if it was not for Mount Adams, the watershed would not be there to provide the nourishment for our timber, and all the food and medicine for our people," said Jerry Maninick, Yakama tribal chairman. "That's part of the commitment the mountain made to the Creator for all of eternity. Her task would be to take care of us and provide for us."
Maninick said some tribal members think the resort proposal fits within that cultural belief. He agrees with Riley that the resort would be a financial boon for the economically struggling tribe. Today, tribal members rely on forest products, a small casino in Toppenish, a juice company, a land-holding company and farms for income.
Benefits for Yakamas
Riley said the proposal would be a partnership in which the tribe would own the land while Meadows would build and run the resort. Tribal members would get jobs and a share of the profits, he said.
Maninick said the tribal council has formed a committee to look at whether such a development is feasible and in its best economic and cultural interest.
Meadows has not yet released its proposal to the public. But similar proposals in the past have gone nowhere, and the tribe shut down a small ski resort on the land after it regained ownership.
So far, Maninick said tribal members seem to be split over the idea. Eventually, all voting members will be asked to weigh in -- a vote Maninick expects to come by year's end. Maninick said the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs also would review the proposal and take testimony.
The resort proposal is drawing critics outside the tribe.
"We will fight the Meadows proposal with everything that we have," said Brent C. Foster, a Hood River attorney with the Gifford-Pinchot Task Force, an environmental group focused on reducing clear-cutting and road density, and preserving wildlife habitat. "This is incredibly important habitat, and the idea of putting thousands of luxury vacation units up there is an outrage, to put it mildly."
Opposition on Hood
Meadows' proposal to build a similar resort on Mount Hood's Cooper Spur continues to have fierce opposition from environmental groups and some Hood River Valley residents who rely on the watershed for drinking and irrigation. The ski company and opponents are in mediation over the plan.
Riley reluctantly acknowledges the political fight ahead. He said many people will try to tell the Yakama Nation what to do.
"Central Oregon has 25 golf courses," Riley said. "Some people think that's a great thing in terms of quality of life, and others would say Central Oregon would be better off it if didn't have any. This is the Yakama Nation's decision, not the Sierra Club's."
Maninick said although he's undecided, he's intrigued by the long-term economic prosperity the resort promises. Even so, he said, the tribe might not be ready to take such a drastic step.
"One of the areas our people have difficulty in is economics," he said. "It's almost always difficult for us to adjust ourselves to the contemporary setting. It's a high-risk area for our people, and they're a little gun-shy."
Mark Larabee: 503-294-7664; marklarabee@news.oregonian.com
Or here it is directly:
Yakama tribe gets proposal for Mount Adams ski resort
Mt. Hood Meadows outlines an 11,000-acre project that would include a casino, housing, golf courses and cultural museum
Thursday, September 23, 2004
MARK LARABEE
Mt. Hood Meadows Development Corp. is proposing a destination resort on tribal land on Mount Adams in rural south-central Washington that would have 10 ski lifts and three 18-hole golf courses.
As presented to the Yakama Indian Nation, the 10,000-member tribe that owns the land, the resort would encompass 11,000 acres near Bird Creek Meadows. It's a popular area now used by campers, climbers, backcountry skiers and hikers.
Meadows' proposal includes eight chairlifts, a gondola and a tram that would take skiers as high as 11,100 feet above sea level from 5,400 feet -- the biggest vertical rise for any ski area in North or South America. It also proposes three golf courses, a spa, a casino and 2,500 housing units -- a mix of hotel rooms, condominiums and single-family homes. There also would be ski lodge and golf clubhouse buildings, plus a small village with restaurants and shops.
Meadows has struggled to build destination resorts at Government Camp and Cooper Spur on Mount Hood.
Dave Riley, Meadows general manager, said the project also would include the Yakama Nation Institute of Learning, which is envisioned as an interpretive center for classes and a museum to highlight the tribe's history and culture. He said everything from the building design to food would incorporate Yakama culture.
Although acknowledging opposition from environmental groups, Riley said Meadows will use cutting-edge building practices that focus on sustainability and environmental ethics.
"It's clear that if this resort is developed, the Yakama Nation will insist that it will be the most environmentally sensitive development in the history of resorts," Riley said. "At the end of the day, they are going to do what they think is right for their resources and their people."
At 12,276 feet, Mount Adams is the second-highest peak in Washington after 14,411-foot Mount Rainier. Its massive girth makes it the second-largest Cascade volcano in volume behind 14,162-foot Mount Shasta in California. But Adams is far from major towns, and a resort there would require significant road improvements to handle traffic, Riley said.
Ownership dispute
The mountain is not without controversy. For nearly five decades, the Yakama tribe battled with the U.S. government over its ownership. The tribe said boundary lines were incorrectly drawn after a surveying error. President Richard Nixon ended the dispute in 1972 when he signed over half the mountain to the tribe.
Tribal leaders acknowledge that such an aggressive development would drastically change the character of the mountain they hold sacred.
"Our understanding, even in a contemporary setting, is that if it was not for Mount Adams, the watershed would not be there to provide the nourishment for our timber, and all the food and medicine for our people," said Jerry Maninick, Yakama tribal chairman. "That's part of the commitment the mountain made to the Creator for all of eternity. Her task would be to take care of us and provide for us."
Maninick said some tribal members think the resort proposal fits within that cultural belief. He agrees with Riley that the resort would be a financial boon for the economically struggling tribe. Today, tribal members rely on forest products, a small casino in Toppenish, a juice company, a land-holding company and farms for income.
Benefits for Yakamas
Riley said the proposal would be a partnership in which the tribe would own the land while Meadows would build and run the resort. Tribal members would get jobs and a share of the profits, he said.
Maninick said the tribal council has formed a committee to look at whether such a development is feasible and in its best economic and cultural interest.
Meadows has not yet released its proposal to the public. But similar proposals in the past have gone nowhere, and the tribe shut down a small ski resort on the land after it regained ownership.
So far, Maninick said tribal members seem to be split over the idea. Eventually, all voting members will be asked to weigh in -- a vote Maninick expects to come by year's end. Maninick said the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs also would review the proposal and take testimony.
The resort proposal is drawing critics outside the tribe.
"We will fight the Meadows proposal with everything that we have," said Brent C. Foster, a Hood River attorney with the Gifford-Pinchot Task Force, an environmental group focused on reducing clear-cutting and road density, and preserving wildlife habitat. "This is incredibly important habitat, and the idea of putting thousands of luxury vacation units up there is an outrage, to put it mildly."
Opposition on Hood
Meadows' proposal to build a similar resort on Mount Hood's Cooper Spur continues to have fierce opposition from environmental groups and some Hood River Valley residents who rely on the watershed for drinking and irrigation. The ski company and opponents are in mediation over the plan.
Riley reluctantly acknowledges the political fight ahead. He said many people will try to tell the Yakama Nation what to do.
"Central Oregon has 25 golf courses," Riley said. "Some people think that's a great thing in terms of quality of life, and others would say Central Oregon would be better off it if didn't have any. This is the Yakama Nation's decision, not the Sierra Club's."
Maninick said although he's undecided, he's intrigued by the long-term economic prosperity the resort promises. Even so, he said, the tribe might not be ready to take such a drastic step.
"One of the areas our people have difficulty in is economics," he said. "It's almost always difficult for us to adjust ourselves to the contemporary setting. It's a high-risk area for our people, and they're a little gun-shy."
Mark Larabee: 503-294-7664; marklarabee@news.oregonian.com
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