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[Smacpats]

I think its safe to say nobody will guess what area this is.
HINTS:
The first lifts are 1989 Stadeli High speed quads, the second is a 1997 Garaventa CTEC gondola. These are this mountain's only ariel lifts. This is in the Bern Canton of Switzerland (And please don't look up the area, it will annoy me very much).

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[Smacpats]

[NHskier13]

Random question, are you sure you got your manufacturers right? That gondola grip looks a bit like a leitner (didn't get a good view) and that HS quad grip looks doppelmayr, also I didn't know stadeli made high speed lifts, maybe just not in my country but still...

Sorry for the confusion if I am wrong

[SkiDaBird]

NHskier13, on 05 May 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

Random question, are you sure you got your manufacturers right? That gondola grip looks a bit like a leitner (didn't get a good view) and that HS quad grip looks doppelmayr, also I didn't know stadeli made high speed lifts, maybe just not in my country but still...

Sorry for the confusion if I am wrong

Some of the 6 packs at Park City have the same grip as the gondola.
No idea what the answer is though, I can only recognize a few European lifts.

[julestheshiba]

NHskier13, on 05 May 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

Random question, are you sure you got your manufacturers right? That gondola grip looks a bit like a leitner (didn't get a good view) and that HS quad grip looks doppelmayr, also I didn't know stadeli made high speed lifts, maybe just not in my country but still...

Sorry for the confusion if I am wrong

that grip definitely does not look like a GaraventaCTEC grip. Also isent GaraventaCTEC the american division of Garaventa? So why would there be one in europe?

[NHskier13]

"Garaventa has manufacturing operations in Canada, China, Italy and Switzerland"

Also I did look, I did forget but stealth 6 packs appear to have a different grip


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[julestheshiba]

NHskier13, on 06 May 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

"Garaventa has manufacturing operations in Canada, China, Italy and Switzerland"

Also I did look, I did forget but stealth 6 packs appear to have a different grip


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When I said that I meant GaraventaCTEC not just Garaventa. Also you rarely see Stealths in Europe. Also I thought GaraventaCTEC Stealth II lifts only had this grip.  tower.jpg (72.15K)
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[Yooper Skier]

AK-680 on the six-pack, AK-4 on the quad.

[liftmech]

Until they merged with Doppelmayr, Garaventa was an independent company and GaraventaCTEC was its North American subsidiary. I've seen at least three different Garaventa grips in the US; it comes down to what Switzerland made available to Salt Lake. The Stealth terminals (except maybe the first-generation) were an American design and not co-produced with any certain grip model. In addition, Garaventa's last grip is currently produced by Doppelmayr as the A-series.

[Smacpats]

NHskier13, on 05 May 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

Random question, are you sure you got your manufacturers right? That gondola grip looks a bit like a leitner (didn't get a good view) and that HS quad grip looks doppelmayr, also I didn't know stadeli made high speed lifts, maybe just not in my country but still...

Sorry for the confusion if I am wrong

The HS grip for the stadeli is a little bit off of the Dopple DS grip, and when I was loading one of these (On vacation, I live in the states too) I saw the stadeli plaque (A lot like the plaque on the Green mountain flyer:
) and was really surprised. And BTW, Stadeli does in fact make HSQs. Here is some more info:

And here is proof of the gondola being a CTEC (I cropped out the ski area name and the name of the lift, which also has the area name in it).

[Smacpats]

I doubt anyone will get this, its really hard. Oh, and BTW, those chairs on the HSQ are surprisingly the most comfortable I have ever ridden. It would be awesome if dopple had continued to use them. Here is the list of less comfortable carriers I have ridden:
EJ carriers
dopple 70s center poles
YAN 80s center poles
Garaventa CTEC chairs of all types
Poma falcon chairs
Poma Omega chairs
Dopple Euro chairs (In a heated bubble, although im not counting the bubble)
YAN bail chairs (Fixed and Old grand summit at Mt. Snow)
Much more...

To say the least, the seat cushions on those HSQs were thick

[Smacpats]

Well, nobody will get this so i'll just tell you. Lenk Bettelberg, Lenk Im simmental CH. It actually is connected to Adelboden, which held the world cup a long time ago. Here is the Adelboden trail map (It's outdated, purple is gondola, red is HSQs, and The yellow arrow is pointed at the town of Adelboden). The lower HSQ and gondola rise from the town of Lenk Im simmental CH. The two resorts are connected by a series of lifts in between the towns. You can look at it yourself.

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[julestheshiba]

liftmech, on 06 May 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:

Until they merged with Doppelmayr, Garaventa was an independent company and GaraventaCTEC was its North American subsidiary. I've seen at least three different Garaventa grips in the US; it comes down to what Switzerland made available to Salt Lake. The Stealth terminals (except maybe the first-generation) were an American design and not co-produced with any certain grip model. In addition, Garaventa's last grip is currently produced by Doppelmayr as the A-series.

That is what I meant by they don't make it in the us. Also the Stealth III quad lifts at DV had different grips (assumably Dopplemayer)

[NHskier13]

At first glance they looked like either AG series or AK-400's. I think they're AK-400's


I left attached a D-CTEC AG-108 and a D-CTEC AK-400 for comparison, they're older images but w/e. SAM_3083 is an AK-400, SAM_2239 is an AG-108

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[Yooper Skier]

There's also the little brother to the A-108, the A-104. Not sure how similar to the AK-400 without seeing them side by side. The former Wildwood Express from Tamarack had them (now at Brian Head), and I recall the Big Mountain Express at Whitefish has them.

[liftmech]

As far as I'm aware the current Doppelmayr A-series is the final Garaventa/Agmatic grip as well. Different name stamp is all.