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[Peter]

TGV quad at Mont Tremblant destroyed by fire: http://www.montrealg...tml?id=10291414

TGV is a 1993 Poma detachable quad.

This is the 3rd major lift fire this year...also happened at Sun Valley in February and Marble Mountain in August.

[snoloco]

This is the second Poma HSQ that was destroyed. This fire burned the bottom terminal and this lift was a bottom drive, so bad news. However, only 7 chairs came down rather than all of them like at Marble Mountain. I wonder what the damage pictures will look like.

This post has been edited by snoloco: 15 October 2014 - 05:39 PM

[DonaldMReif]

Call me skeptical, but this time I don't think lightning is to blame.

[Allan]

DonaldMReif, on 15 October 2014 - 06:31 PM, said:

Call me skeptical, but this time I don't think lightning is to blame.

I don't think anyone said it was? Lifts have lots of potential sources of combustion.

[2milehi]

Makes you wonder why some type of fire alarm is not used.

[RibStaThiok]

Because by the time anyone responded to it, it would still be too late.

[lastchair_44]

If someone could design a suitable fire suppression system for ski lift applications, that would be the ticket.

[2milehi]

The old River Run Gondola (Von Roll) had a Halon fire suppresion system. That stuff has been deemed very bad and it was a challange to remove in 2008.

I don't know why a CO2 fire supprestion system couldn't be used. I'm sure there is some safety factor that I am overlooking.

[SkiDaBird]

Would it make sense to replace it with a 6 pack?

[sseguin613]

SkiDaBird, on 16 October 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

Would it make sense to replace it with a 6 pack?

I'd like seeing that. There isn't any six packs in the general area of Quebec, except for Mont Orignal and the Chondola at Orford. Although if they went out with a heated seats and bubble lift that would be cool too. Would be great to have a flagship lift installed.

Probably too early to tell what will happen but the pictures seem to make it look like the bottom terminal is scrap unfortunately. Here's hoping whatever happens, the lift is just as fast as it was before. Easily the fastest chair on the mountain!

[woofydoggie]

Im not in the industry, so i wonder what would spark a fire so quickly. As far as I'm aware, terminals are made of plastic, and sheet metal. Wouldn't the fire just burn through the plastic, if it is large enough?

[RibStaThiok]

You've got hydraulics, grease, oil, fuel (for reserve/back-up engines/drive) rubber, plastic, all sorts of combustibles and fuel for a fire. I'm betting this will be electrical related if it was not set intentionally. Some resorts will shut down everything electrically at the main disconnect at the end of the day, others will just throw a few switches and some things will remain energized.

[woofydoggie]

Oh, forgot about that. :|

[Andy1962]

Peter, on 15 October 2014 - 06:05 AM, said:

TGV quad at Mont Tremblant destroyed by fire: http://www.montrealg...tml?id=10291414

TGV is a 1993 Poma detachable quad.

This is the 3rd major lift fire this year...also happened at Sun Valley in February and Marble Mountain in August.

currently very hard to find any updates on the status of the fire damage (Google finding almost no reference to this fire)

the only easy update I found was here:

http://www.epicski.c...t-tgv-lift-fire


to reference source:


http://blogue.tremblant.ca/


Looks like it might be less damage then they thought. From their blog.

TGV lift UPDATES
Post 1 of 103‹›
OFFICIAL COMMENT OCTOBER 17TH


According to the assessments associated with the fire that affected the base of the TGV quad chair early in the evening of Sunday October 12, we are now in a position to confirm that according to preliminary inspections, damages appear to be less extensive than initially anticipated.

Our teams and those of the lift manufacturer have deployed every effort required to ensure the TGV’s prompt return to service: damage assessments are advancing, engineers are currently evaluating reconstruction solutions while cleaning and reconditioning tasks have begun.

We wish to expressly thank community and industry members who voluntarily mobilized around us, providing invaluable logistics and material support


Tremblant blog found here:

http://blogue.tremblant.ca/

This post has been edited by Andy1962: 18 October 2014 - 06:22 AM

[hoodoo]

woofydoggie, on 16 October 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

Im not in the industry, so i wonder what would spark a fire so quickly. As far as I'm aware, terminals are made of plastic, and sheet metal. Wouldn't the fire just burn through the plastic, if it is large enough?

It sounds like this fire was started in the lift shack... someone probably put wet clothing on the heater and did not turn it off... they will be cleaning up the lift terminal and replacing what needs replacing this year

[RibStaThiok]

A heater being used well before there is snow on the ground?

[Nate214]

RibStaThiok, on 16 October 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

You've got hydraulics, grease, oil, fuel (for reserve/back-up engines/drive) rubber, plastic, all sorts of combustibles and fuel for a fire. I'm betting this will be electrical related if it was not set intentionally. Some resorts will shut down everything electrically at the main disconnect at the end of the day, others will just throw a few switches and some things will remain energized.

We're guilty of leaving heat on at night during the season some of our lifts don't like being cold and causes many problems for for start up. When doing this you need to respect all fire concerns keep the trash empty in the motor room ( metal can no trash bag) heat only to a medium setting and keep your terminal clean. No fuels in containers stored only in the tanks, aerosols in a metal cabinet etc. Do as much as you can. The operator houses scare me the most I have walked in to find space heaters on high with paper and what not close to the heater always talking to ops on fire prevention here. So many ways for a fire to start it's almost unbelievable. We have been making more installs of heaters with fire prevention in mind and trying to make enough heat so you don't need to supplement it with a $20 space heater from walmart probably one of the biggest fire hazards present.

[Allan]

RibStaThiok, on 26 October 2014 - 12:19 AM, said:

A heater being used well before there is snow on the ground?

It does get cold in the mountains before it snows! :) We've had a couple of drive & control room heaters on for two-three weeks now.

[Nate214]

Allan, on 26 October 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

It does get cold in the mountains before it snows! :) We've had a couple of drive & control room heaters on for two-three weeks now.

Same here it be cold

[Kicking Horse]

Simple way to handle the "20 dollar space heater issue" ban them from being used.... If one is found it get's taken away. Op's should be dressed for the weather. If not they have no busy being there anyway!

:)