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[NHskier13]

Hey all. I have a question about a lift at my favorite resort in NH. It's a 1988 Poma High Speed Quad known as the "White Peaks Express Quad" at Waterville Valley. I am not asking the name and place, for your info, but what is the terminal design used? It's not the competition, though it is similar.

Fitted for TB-41 Grips, and "Arceaux" Carriers.
If it helps, here is a video, mostly just the ride though.
(https://www.youtube....h?v=QYxKPGkUNuE)

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This post has been edited by NHskier13: 14 November 2014 - 03:13 PM

[Peter]

Couldn't tell you the name but there were only 3 of these built- all in 1988. The other two are at Sunshine Village, AB and Crystal WA.

[DonaldMReif]

I think this goes in the General Discussion page.

Anyways, the other two besides the White Peaks Express are Crystal Mountain's Rainier Express and Sunshine Village's Angel lift.

[NHskier13]

Ah, just found the Angel Express Quad, Looks like the White Peaks Express was the only one with a top-station drive.

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[liftmech]

Some of our Eagle blueprints date from 1988 (for a 1989 lift, go figure). The only info on them says 'detachable terminal'. Nice-looking terminals, very roomy to work on/in. Way better than mine. Not sure why they changed the design for 1988 only, then went to a similar but not identical one for 1989/90.

By the way, the carriers aren't called the Falcon. Someone erroneously called them that on the forum here years ago and for some reason it stuck. The French term (which I'd call more official since Poma is French) is Arceaux (meaning 'arched' or curved).

[NHskier13]

Actually, I looked Arceaux in google translate (Not the best thing though) but apparently it means "hoops"?
I would agree, the terminals are pretty roomy. Maybe they made the one used on the Eagle possibly because it was cheaper/more effective?

This post has been edited by NHskier13: 14 November 2014 - 03:03 PM

[2milehi]

I'm not sure of the name of the style of terminal, but I do know that it is similar to two lifts in Colorado. The internals are similar to a Falcon style terminal (driveshaft "PTO" driven off the bullwheel/motor, gravity assist primary rails, etc) but the exterior covering is more like the Competition terminal.

Beaver Run at Breckenridge, built in France.


American Eagle at Copper Mountain

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[Nate214]

2milehi, on 26 October 2014 - 07:02 AM, said:

I'm not sure of the name of the style of terminal, but I do know that it is similar to two lifts in Colorado. The internals are similar to a Falcon style terminal (driveshaft "PTO" driven off the bullwheel/motor, gravity assist primary rails, etc) but the exterior covering is more like the Competition terminal.

Beaver Run at Breckenridge, built in France.


American Eagle at Copper Mountain

looks a lot like a competition terminal with some minor differences

[NHskier13]

I would have to agree with Nate, it looks a lot like a competition terminal but...
-It's not arched forward (if you were looking from it as you were riding into the terminal)
-The Drive station has a big section on top, possibly to house motors, etc.
-Doesn't use the competition carrier (doesn't really matter though)
- Not sure about competitions (I don't think we have any in NH/Maine) but these have some sort of combination of a Passive and Active Cadences
(Note : That may be after mods on the terminals, as many chain cadences have been replaced a while ago)

This post has been edited by NHskier13: 14 November 2014 - 03:08 PM

[liftmech]

It's sort of an optical illusion, but the 'large' section on the three '88 drive terminals is the same height as the entire '89 and '90 ones. Probably easier to build one continuous roof meather than engineer those transitions.

[NHskier13]

In terms of terminal build, I must say these two are quite similar:

(Above : Squaw One Express @ Squaw Valley, CA)

(Above : Rainer Express at Crystal Mountain, WA)

[DonaldMReif]

The drive terminal design always reminds me of the terminals on the Doppelmayr built high speed quads at Vail (all of which were built from 1985 to 1989).

[NHskier13]

DonaldMReif, on 14 November 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

The drive terminal design always reminds me of the terminals on the Doppelmayr built high speed quads at Vail (all of which were built from 1985 to 1989).

Would that be because they both have that add-on roof section?

[NHskier13]

I also noticed something that I just thought was kinda funny. Copper Mountain always takes a chair off the Flyer, just as Waterville does on the White Peaks. I also looked at a pic inside the flyer, and it looks quite similar to White Peaks too. In seeing this, I realized that the Falcon and the Unknown terminal both have a chair parking rail on the return terminal.

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[vons]

NHskier13, on 21 November 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

I also noticed something that I just thought was kinda funny. Copper Mountain always takes a chair off the Flyer, just as Waterville does on the White Peaks. I also looked at a pic inside the flyer, and it looks quite similar to White Peaks too. In seeing this, I realized that the Falcon and the Unknown terminal both have a chair parking rail on the return terminal.

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Copper does their carrier service during the season. The chair waiting on the rail is either going back on at the end of the day or going to to have the grip taken to the shop later for service. In the past there was a service rail at the top and the chair was kept in the motor room.

[liftmech]

NHskier-- you only see the chair I have off on the Flyer because I have no dedicated grip maintenance building to hide it in Many detachables have one, and the chair being serviced is inside. The photo you posted shows a chair in the corner of the terminal; I have a small loft where I can fix common problems on the grips without having to put the whole thing on the ground or take it to the shop.