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#1 Peter

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Posted 14 April 2007 - 03:25 PM

Here are some pictures of Sourdough and Highline from last week. They will be gone soon!

Sourdough:
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Highline:
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Posted 18 April 2007 - 02:24 PM

That lift could of almost gone for Silver Fir at Snoqualmie Central. I'm still bad at identifing lifts but is Sourdough a Poma? :unsure:

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 02:40 PM

It's a Lift Engineering (YAN) triple with Doppelmayr upgrades (carriers, tower heads, etc.).
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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:01 PM

The chairs look the same!! Oh well, I'll learn.
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Posted 18 April 2007 - 05:02 PM

View PostSkiBachelor, on Apr 18 2007, 02:40 PM, said:

It's a Lift Engineering (YAN) triple with Doppelmayr upgrades (carriers, tower heads, etc.).


sourdough actually has doppelmayr line gear also. The only yan parts are the drive terminal and the return. the towers are fully doppelmayr towers.

compare the tower with another similar doppelmayr tower:

sourdough:

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 05:06 PM

Was this lift a double before Doppelmayr upgraded it?
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Posted 18 April 2007 - 06:25 PM

i think it was a triple, i remember hearing that the drive terminal was the mtn top lift

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 06:31 PM

Does anyone have a trail map of Vail during the early 1980s?
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Posted 19 April 2007 - 06:00 AM

I may have an old Vail map, I'll have to look. To the best of my knowledge Sourdough was a triple to begin with and was upgraded due to a problem with something on the line.
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Posted 19 April 2007 - 01:49 PM

View Postcoskibum, on Apr 18 2007, 08:25 PM, said:

i think it was a triple, i remember hearing that the drive terminal was the mtn top lift

Lift 14 has always been triple. The former chairs were the vintage with the square tubing of the early to mid 70's. the chairs looked exactly like those found on other Colorado lifts of the same vintage and manufacter such as chair 15 at Vail, Mountain Chief and Blackjack at Copper and Argentine at Keystone except the triple-wide version. I think the chair was upgraded to its current status in 92 when lift 7 from Beaver Creek was installed at Vail to become lift 17 and the two platters near 2 Elk were installed. The drive terminal from the old chair 4 (triple version) had the more rounded motor room on the top terminal.
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Posted 20 April 2007 - 12:31 PM

I don't think that Yan ever made triple chairs with square tubing... wasn't it always round tubing for the triples?

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 04:49 PM

View Postskier2, on Apr 20 2007, 02:31 PM, said:

I don't think that Yan ever made triple chairs with square tubing... wasn't it always round tubing for the triples?

Recalling the Yan lifts in the 70's, it appears the round tubing style chairs started in 1978. Since lift 14 was installed in 1975, it did have the square-tube chairs. I vividly recall those. The triple version of lift 4 also had the same square-tubing style triple chairs as it was installed the same year replacing the original Riblet FGD which was one of the first lifts installed in 1962. Vail retained the square-style triple chairs on 4 even when the lift was moved to replace the Riblet double version of lift 3 in 1985 and the lift was changed to fixed grip quad sometime around 89ish (the chairs were replaced with updated Yan round-tubing quad chairs). The lift was mostly replaced (the tower uprights were re-used) with the current CTEC HSQ in 1995. I never saw the triple-wide version of the Yan pre 1978 lifts at any other ski area, however, only the double chair versions. I am positive Vail had them though on lifts 4 and 14.
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Posted 20 April 2007 - 04:53 PM

View Postboardski, on Apr 19 2007, 01:49 PM, said:

Lift 14 has always been triple. The former chairs were the vintage with the square tubing of the early to mid 70's. the chairs looked exactly like those found on other Colorado lifts of the same vintage and manufacter such as chair 15 at Vail, Mountain Chief and Blackjack at Copper and Argentine at Keystone except the triple-wide version. I think the chair was upgraded to its current status in 92 when lift 7 from Beaver Creek was installed at Vail to become lift 17 and the two platters near 2 Elk were installed. The drive terminal from the old chair 4 (triple version) had the more rounded motor room on the top terminal.


well i say that because i have seen pictures of the former mtn top lift and it fits that description. maybe they decided to replace the line gear with doppelmayr stuff from BC like you suggest. im just guessing though, the story seems to fit?

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Posted 21 April 2007 - 06:25 AM

Chiar 17 was the only lift that came from BC. The line gear on lift 14 was all new equipment. Since chair 17 was the old BC chair 7 transplanted, it has the older slat-style chairs that the Dopps from the late 70s/ early 80s had. Vail just has the chairs padded really well (thank goodness) so it is hard to see the slats. The chairs on #14 are the more current style chair used in the 90s.
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 06:34 PM

View Postboardski, on Apr 20 2007, 06:49 PM, said:

Recalling the Yan lifts in the 70's, it appears the round tubing style chairs started in 1978.

Bingo. All of the service bulletins I've read mention the square-tube carriers ending in '77, and the round-tube carriers are model DB-78 or TB-78, depending on whether they were doubles or triples. I've never seen a square-tube triple, although they're mentioned in the service bulletins as well.
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Posted 28 April 2007 - 07:58 AM

View Postliftmech, on Apr 25 2007, 08:34 PM, said:

Bingo. All of the service bulletins I've read mention the square-tube carriers ending in '77, and the round-tube carriers are model DB-78 or TB-78, depending on whether they were doubles or triples. I've never seen a square-tube triple, although they're mentioned in the service bulletins as well.

Vails lifts 4 (moved to become #3 in 1985) and 14 might have been the only Yan triples built before 1978. Does anyone know if Vail have any left-over chairs from those lifts lying around somewhere? Unfortunately I don't have any pictures from back then but if you look at the pictures of lift #15 aka "Little Eagle", just look at those chairs and add another seat to each one and that is what they looked like.
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