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#21 Skier123

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Posted 10 September 2009 - 07:03 PM

Okay, thanks to both of you for the information.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:04 PM

View PostSkiBachelor, on 13 March 2009 - 07:24 PM, said:

While it's not possible for a lift to support two different types of grips, the Cabriolet at Mont Tremblant features the DS grips with UNI terminals which is known for featuring the DT grip. It's probably the only lift with a setup like this.


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I think the reasoning for this is that the lift was built in 1994. While the United States offered only the UNI in 1994, Doppelmayr began constructing UNI-Ms in other countries, such as Canada. However, I don't think Doppelmayr had released the DT grip yet in 1994, so that would be the reason for the UNI-M terminal with DS grips.

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#23 jaytrem

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:17 PM

View PostLiftTech, on 08 September 2009 - 09:55 AM, said:

Both terminals are the same in regards to the grip conveying system; the drive just has a roof, trolley system, lights and heat and was installed after the retro.


Wasn't there talk a couple years ago about putting top on the lower terminal? Not sure if that would have been purely for cosmetic reasons.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 05:47 PM

View Postjaytrem, on 23 July 2010 - 04:17 PM, said:

Wasn't there talk a couple years ago about putting top on the lower terminal? Not sure if that would have been purely for cosmetic reasons.


I read an article about that too. I believe it was simply to make maintenance easier,.




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Posted 23 July 2010 - 08:09 PM

View PostSkier123, on 22 July 2010 - 07:04 PM, said:

I think the reasoning for this is that the lift was built in 1994. While the United States offered only the UNI in 1994, Doppelmayr began constructing UNI-Ms in other countries, such as Canada. However, I don't think Doppelmayr had released the DT grip yet in 1994, so that would be the reason for the UNI-M terminal with DS grips.

Actually the DT grip and UNI-M series were introduced to Austria in 1993.
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#26 Skier123

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 05:04 PM

It might still be possible that the DT wasn't introduced to Canada until 1995 though. Canada and the US tend to be on the same page most of the time in terms of ski lifts. For example, Leitner-Poma operates in Canada and Doppelmayr CTEC distributes the UNI-GS in Canada.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 08:20 AM

View PostSkier123, on 26 July 2010 - 05:04 PM, said:

It might still be possible that the DT wasn't introduced to Canada until 1995 though. Canada and the US tend to be on the same page most of the time in terms of ski lifts. For example, Leitner-Poma operates in Canada and Doppelmayr CTEC distributes the UNI-GS in Canada.


Doppelmayr did introduce its UNI stations for the DT grip to North America in 1995. The construction survey lists 10 detachable lift with DT grips in New Hampshire, Vermont, Colorado, California and British Columbia. The UNI stations for DTs had the letter designations S for short, M for medium or L for long depending on the terminal length. UNI-M must have been the most common because that is the name most people use for all the 1995-2002 UNIs. The '95 UNI I work on at Loon Mt is a UNI-M drive, UNI-S return.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 11:20 AM

View PostSuperRat, on 31 July 2010 - 08:20 AM, said:

Doppelmayr did introduce its UNI stations for the DT grip to North America in 1995. The construction survey lists 10 detachable lift with DT grips in New Hampshire, Vermont, Colorado, California and British Columbia. The UNI stations for DTs had the letter designations S for short, M for medium or L for long depending on the terminal length. UNI-M must have been the most common because that is the name most people use for all the 1995-2002 UNIs. The '95 UNI I work on at Loon Mt is a UNI-M drive, UNI-S return.


How would one go about distinguishing the 1995-2002 UNIs from the earlier version then? Because I'm pretty sure that the earlier UNIs were available in multiple lengths too, correct?

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 04:55 PM

View PostSkier123, on 04 August 2010 - 11:20 AM, said:

How would one go about distinguishing the 1995-2002 UNIs from the earlier version then? Because I'm pretty sure that the earlier UNIs were available in multiple lengths too, correct?


It doesn't surprise me if the UNI terminals for the DS grip came in different lengths. The enclosure design changed when the UNI went DT although it was a natural progression. The Doppelmayr CTEC Identification Page has some good pictures: http://www.skilifts....iftid_dctec.htm

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 08:40 PM

View PostSuperRat, on 05 August 2010 - 04:55 PM, said:

It doesn't surprise me if the UNI terminals for the DS grip came in different lengths. The enclosure design changed when the UNI went DT although it was a natural progression. The Doppelmayr CTEC Identification Page has some good pictures: http://www.skilifts....iftid_dctec.htm


I mean how would one go about distingusihing the two in terms of model numbers? I always used to differentiate the two by reffering to them as UNI and UNI-M, but I now realize that that's not correct. And sorry to be asking so many questions, but does anyone have a picture of a UNI-L?

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 02:07 PM

View PostSkier123, on 05 August 2010 - 08:40 PM, said:

I mean how would one go about distinguishing the two in terms of model numbers? I always used to differentiate the two by reffering to them as UNI and UNI-M, but I now realize that that's not correct. And sorry to be asking so many questions, but does anyone have a picture of a UNI-L?


As far as I know referring to the 89-94 terminals simply as UNI is accurate regardless of length. I'm sure those who care about these sort of things will know what you're talking about. Using UNI-M for the 95-02 terminals should also suffice because it has become the common name for all the early DT grip terminals. To be more accurate you'd have to learn to distinguish the different terminal lengths by sight. Count windows maybe? I don't know of a picture of a UNI-L, they're probably the least common length. Here are some pictures of the Kancamagus Quad at Loon: http://www.skilifts..../kanc/kanc.html The difference between the Medium drive and Short return isn't much.

I hope this helped.

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 04:25 PM

View PostSuperRat, on 06 August 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

As far as I know referring to the 89-94 terminals simply as UNI is accurate regardless of length. I'm sure those who care about these sort of things will know what you're talking about. Using UNI-M for the 95-02 terminals should also suffice because it has become the common name for all the early DT grip terminals. To be more accurate you'd have to learn to distinguish the different terminal lengths by sight. Count windows maybe? I don't know of a picture of a UNI-L, they're probably the least common length. Here are some pictures of the Kancamagus Quad at Loon: http://www.skilifts..../kanc/kanc.html The difference between the Medium drive and Short return isn't much.

I hope this helped.


Okay, thank you for the clarification.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 11:32 PM

Some of the Telluride HSQs have the maintenance bay terminal at one end and a standard UNI-M at the other.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:19 PM

View PostSkier123, on 05 August 2010 - 08:40 PM, said:

Does anyone have a picture of a UNI-L?

The only UNI's from the 1995-2002 era that I know of that could be UNI-L's are gondola terminals since they are usually bigger and longer than chairlift terminals.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:05 PM

View PostSkier123, on 05 August 2010 - 08:40 PM, said:

I mean how would one go about distingusihing the two in terms of model numbers? I always used to differentiate the two by reffering to them as UNI and UNI-M, but I now realize that that's not correct. And sorry to be asking so many questions, but does anyone have a picture of a UNI-L?

I have no idea if either actually is a UNI-L, they both could very well be UNI-M, but the Summit Six at Alpine Meadows and American Express at Stratton both appear to have longer terminals than most of the UNIs from that generation. Could someone clarify if these 2 are UNI-m or UNI-L?

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 12:18 PM

View PostSkier123, on 07 September 2009 - 12:52 PM, said:

This may sound like a really stupid question, because I don't know a lot about Yan high speed quads, but I think the Grand Summit Express at Mount Snow uses a Yan bottom terminal and a Poma Challenger drive terminal. Is this correct? Or is the bottom terminal some type of Poma design?

Here's the bottom:
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And here's the top:
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When this lift was modified by Poma, they put a glass top on the drive terminal to protect the drive components. The top is the same as the bottom, except that it did not have the glass top. They put a glass top on it in 2012, so now the top looks just like the bottom. The glass top on the drive terminal looks like a Poma Challenger terminal because that was the design used when that lift was modified. The bottom terminal got the challenger glass top and not the Omega because they wanted the terminals to look the same.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 12:33 PM

Mountain Creek, NJ uses UNI-S drive terminals and UNI-M tension/return terminals on their two high speed quads. Their Cabriolet may have UNI-L terminals since it is a gondola and gondola terminals are usually bigger. These are the pictures.

UNI-S drive on the South Peak Express.

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UNI-M returns on the South Peak Express and the Bear Peak Express.

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This is the Cabriolet's return/tension terminal.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 12:11 PM

View Postskiersage, on 14 March 2009 - 02:57 PM, said:

Yes that is true but the discussion is about detachable lifts. I have seen many fixed chairs with alternate terminals but not detaches.

also the modonna 1 lift at smugglers notch vermont has a old hall bottom drive with some existing hall towers some modern ctec towers and a ctec return station...it was a 2001 retro fit to up the number of operating days due to wind

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:33 PM

I wonder if it is technically possible to use a Poma 2 mast and 3 mast detach terminal in the same lift. If they have the same rope gauge, I don't see why not.

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 03:55 PM

If they're designed for the same grip it should work.





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