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#1 Lift Kid

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 06:16 PM

The following post is aimed towards Mechanics and operators but feel free to input your thoughts; I may be known as the controls goo ru or something like that. But, I am wondering what manufacturer of controls do you use at the resort or area you work at? (Allen-Bradly, Cutler-Hamer, etc.) Also, could you post pictures? :biggrin: I would appreciate your input!

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 06:26 PM

Mainly depends upon what the lift manufacturer specs. Poma likes A-B, although in the past they used Telemechanique. CTEC used a bunch of A-B stuff as well. When retrofitting or adding new it's up to the electrician who has to repair it later, or perhaps the guy who signs the cheque. I removed a bunch of Cutler-Hamer from Baker's lifts a few years back because they were clunky and hard to see inside the contact blocks. I prefer A-B for most things. Being a mechtrician and not a true sparky, I'm sure there will be some differing opinions out there.
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Posted 20 November 2006 - 07:32 PM

View Postliftmech, on Nov 20 2006, 06:26 PM, said:

Mainly depends upon what the lift manufacturer specs. Poma likes A-B, although in the past they used Telemechanique. CTEC used a bunch of A-B stuff as well. When retrofitting or adding new it's up to the electrician who has to repair it later, or perhaps the guy who signs the cheque. I removed a bunch of Cutler-Hamer from Baker's lifts a few years back because they were clunky and hard to see inside the contact blocks. I prefer A-B for most things. Being a mechtrician and not a true sparky, I'm sure there will be some differing opinions out there.

Do you know what Doppelmayr lifts use? I knew that CTEC had a lot of A-B stuff but I am not sure about POMA and Doppelmayr. What did Riblet use too? What about Garaventa? Any big ones I missed?

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 05:27 AM

It's A-B in the new Doppelmayr CTEC lifts I've worked on.
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Posted 21 November 2006 - 06:25 AM

Riblet lifts mainly depended upon who rebuilt the controls :devil: The last ones built used A-B as well.
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Posted 21 November 2006 - 03:28 PM

View Postliftmech, on Nov 21 2006, 06:25 AM, said:

Riblet lifts mainly depended upon who rebuilt the controls :devil: The last ones built used A-B as well.

View Postlastchair44, on Nov 21 2006, 05:27 AM, said:

It's A-B in the new Doppelmayr CTEC lifts I've worked on.


What is your point of view on favorite control manufacturers? Which are the most durable?

What other (if any) manufacturers are there?

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 07:10 PM

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 07:55 PM

View Postliftmech, on Nov 21 2006, 06:25 AM, said:

Riblet lifts mainly depended upon who rebuilt the controls :devil: The last ones built used A-B as well.


Cooper Spur Ski Area in Oregon has the very last Riblet ever built... It has an Automation Direct.com PLC and operator interfaces.

#9 liftmech

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 04:42 AM

Cool- I don't know Riblet used PLCs. We built one in 2001 and it was all relay logic, with a Hydac controller on the tension system.
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 11:30 AM

View Postliftmech, on Dec 11 2006, 04:42 AM, said:

Cool- I don't know Riblet used PLCs. We built one in 2001 and it was all relay logic, with a Hydac controller on the tension system.


I'm not sure how many they built in this way, but I do know their logic is a bit choppy, and they certainly didn't use the PLC to its fullest potential. If we ever get the time, there's a lot we could do to improve the program using the hardware they put in. We've become big fans of Automation Direct.com; their stuff works well and it's very inexpensive compared to A-B. We've used it in our new snowmaking systems and some wells.

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 04:54 AM

PLCs are certainly nice when they are used, as you say, to their fullest potential. Just the amount of space they save versus a relay bank is impressive.
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:48 PM

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 08:43 PM

I am sure that underneath the stickers on the grounding box, it says: ein, aus and erdung !
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 09:06 PM

View PostEmax, on Jan 11 2007, 09:03 PM, said:

Ah - those were the days...



Want to go into details about those days?
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Posted 12 January 2007 - 05:14 PM

View Postmikest2, on Jan 11 2007, 08:43 PM, said:

I am sure that underneath the stickers on the grounding box, it says: ein, aus and erdung !


I've got the same ground switch, I think it came from the T-Bar... now I'm going to have to go pick the stickers off!!
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Posted 13 January 2007 - 08:54 PM

What is the old story emax?
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:16 PM

Cooper Spur was the last Riblet, but Crotched Mtn. Park lift got the last Riblet control system a year later! 10 Riblet lifts were installed with PLC controls.

Riblet used 22mm IDEC control switches. The problem with PLC's is knowing when to stop programming :)

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:38 PM

cutler hammer seems to be the most durable in my opinion
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 10:48 AM

Doppelmayr's from Europe have Benedict & Jager buttons and switches, PLC's from Pilz and relays from Elesta. We tend to use telemecanique buttons and automation Direct PLC's for our own projects. All of that stuff is pretty good. Our new Doppelmayr/CTEC has AB everything.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 07:53 AM

View PostFSJ, on Jan 18 2007, 06:16 PM, said:

Riblet used 22mm IDEC control switches. The problem with PLC's is knowing when to stop programming :)


I'd forgotten about those- at Baker we bought a lot of A-B because Zop liked their product, and perhaps the newer Riblets had already been renovated by the time I got there. I do remember lots of yellow IDEC relays though.
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