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#1 Zage

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 07:43 PM

Just curious about why older hsq's have an external drive station instead of being in the terminal. Is it because older hsq terminals were full of stuff like shafts,chains and other equipment?


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Posted 09 February 2005 - 06:09 AM

No, it's actually because the engineering hadn't quite been done to put it all in one package. The oldest 'integral' Poma terminal is either '87 or '88. If you take a close look at this terminal, you can see that the drive sheave frame may be in the terminal, but isn't really part of it.Attached File  s_out_.jpg (112.41K)
Number of downloads: 83 I don't know when Doppelmayr went to the complete package, but I imagine it was around the same time. Perhaps Cameron (skiBachelor) can confirm this, because I don't know what the Pine Marten or Outback has for a drive configuration (vault or overhead). Here is a shot of the drive terminal of the Eagle (1989); as you can see there are plenty of shafts all under the orange guards) but the drive train is all there in the terminal

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 06:18 AM

Telluride's Sunshine Express is an '86 vintage Dopplemayr. The drive and the acc/dec machinery appear to be under one roof but are actually housed in two distinct zones and you have to climb two separate ladders to access the various machinery.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 08:46 AM

Yea, I think that's how the Pine Marten and Outback are set up too.
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Posted 09 February 2005 - 09:14 AM

Does anyone have a diagram or pic of the dopps, I find it hard to imagine it in my mind.
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Posted 09 February 2005 - 01:23 PM

ccslider, on Feb 9 2005, 08:18 AM, said:

Telluride's Sunshine Express is an '86 vintage Dopplemayr.  The drive and the acc/dec machinery appear to be under one roof but are actually housed in two distinct zones and you have to climb two separate ladders to access the various machinery.
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Is that the reason for the exposed drive shaft under the bull wheel?
Is the drive motor actualy further inside the haul rope than the bullwheel?
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Posted 09 February 2005 - 01:25 PM

This is my guess of how it's set up, based on my very limited exposure to these lifts and ccslider's explanation. I always wondered why the older Doppelmayrs had those three driveshafts down by the unload ramp.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 02:07 PM

That seems kind of weird, but it worked, right?
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Posted 09 February 2005 - 02:34 PM

Hey John, your diagram fits the two Doppelmayr hsq's at Nakiska perfectly.(Nakiska is in Alberta Canada). Those lifts are classic Dopps.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 02:36 PM

But nobody has any pics, right? I would like to see what they look like.
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Posted 09 February 2005 - 02:37 PM

I will try to get some ASAP.
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Posted 09 February 2005 - 02:51 PM

Hey John, don't you think it is time to retire the Flyer?, it's getting up there is years.
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Posted 09 February 2005 - 03:08 PM

Heres some off the gallery of Sunshine at T-ride.

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Posted 10 February 2005 - 07:41 AM

The Falcon lift at Breck has a detached motor room on its HSQ. The reason is because the lift was first installed as a 4 person fixed grip then converted a year later to HSQ. They kept the original motor room and just slapped the detach stuff in front of it.

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Posted 10 February 2005 - 07:51 AM

I thought that the falcon was an original detach install.
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Posted 10 February 2005 - 09:22 AM

I'm fairly sure that it was an original HS install.

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Posted 10 February 2005 - 09:31 AM

Actually, Mike is right. I went through my POMA of America installation notes and sure enough, there was a Poma chairlift installed in 1985 at Breckenridge and it has the same length and vertical as the Falcon Express.

I can scan in the pages if you want.
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Posted 10 February 2005 - 09:40 AM

Thats where the confusion was between the install dates in another topic. So it was a FGQ built in '85 then upgraded in '86?
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Posted 10 February 2005 - 09:43 AM

Does anyone have pics of the falcon as a FG?
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Posted 10 February 2005 - 09:45 AM

It does seem to be different from other poma quads of the same vintage. Does the Falcon model refer to FG lifts that have been upgraded to detachables?
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