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Kicking Horse, on Mar 16 2009, 07:55 PM, said:

I don't know how much feedback we will ask from users. One thing that was always mentioned is that anyone who donates to the website will have a preview and will be able to see how it all works and make suggestions and comments on that before anyone who hasn't contributed to the site. Its one of the perks I designed when I asked for financial partners.

Skiing#1, on Mar 23 2008, 09:04 PM, said:

I don't like arguing, but I think Brighton should have called it the Millicent Express lift because Millicent was the name of the lift it replaced.

how did that reply even have anything to do with the topic? How does this reply relate to anything? why am I asking myself questions? I have no idea for all of those questions.

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Number of downloads: 41Lift at Sierra-At-Tahoe CA. I can give you some updated pictures of the lifts. Most of the picture that are on there now are out of date. But they are nice to have because you can compare them. Also on that page, the Removed Lifts section there is a double chair with an unknown name. Its name was Tahoe Queen.

Homewood Mountain Resort's Page:

There are some current lifts that have been removed.

The Quad has been replaced with Old Homewood Express, and Tailings T is gone and nothing replaced it.

Also the lift Quail Chair has no pictures or info page. But on the site I found some. I will attach them on here.

Hope this helps :)

Wow! I thought my Wiki-Ski page listing details all 400 Australian ski lifts was pretty ambitious. Tracking down lifts that were pulled out 50 years ago and the minor ski hills that only have one or two lifts was especially hard. http://wikiski.com/w...i_tow_directory

But this project to list all North American ski lifts is on a whole new level, I guess you have at least 10 times the number of lifts that we have down here. Good luck with the project.

As noted in the "New Lift Construction Photos 2011" sub-forum, Burke Mountain has added a new lift to their uphill operations.

Mountain Info Update:
Phone: 802.626.7300
Owner: Lubert-Adler (Real Estate Equity Firm), Operated by Crave Group Real Estate (http://www.cravereal.../work/burke.php)
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New Lift:
Name: Mid Burke Express
Manufacturer: Leitner/Poma
Installed: 2011
Drive: At Top Station
Tensioning: At Top and Bottom Station
Motor: N/A HP
Motor rating, continuous: N/A KW
Motor Rating: N/A KW
Haul Rope Diameter: 40mm
Rope Gauge: N/A (although I do know it is "6x25 Filler Wire massive polymer core") see full rope stats here http://i305.photobuc...SQ/Dsc03828.jpg
Vertical Rise: 1600 ft / 487.68 m
Inclined Length: 5824 ft / 1775 m
Speed on Line: 1000 fpm / 5.08 m/s
Speed in Station: N/A
Number of Towers: 18
Number of Carriers: 93
Capacity: N/A
Ride Time: 7.5 minutes
Chair Parking: Manual Parking rail at Bottom Station
Other Notes: Lift was ordered in April and opened in December of the same year.

As for pictures, feel free to use anything from my Photobucket site.
http://s305.photobuc...%20HSQ/?start=0

The rope gauge is the distance between the uphill and downhill sides of the line.

Bill: is there any way to filter out the countless BOTs? They clutter the site.

Hey, all! I am a new member on this forum. And I have a bit of information.
Grand Targhee, WY.
A little info. on Carriers and towers.
Blackfoot has 118 carriers.
Dreamcatcher has 120 carriers and 20 towers. The ride time is also 7 minutes, not 6.
Shoshone has 80 carriers.
Sacajewea has 51 carriers (with huge spacing) and 15 towers.

For Whistler Blackholm, Canada, I have some info on the famous Peak 2 Peak. No pics, though. Sorry.
Whistler Blackholm, Canada
Peak 2 Peak: Rope gauge: 2.73 miles. Towers: 4 Carriers: 28 Ride Time: 11 minutes Manufacturer: Doppelmyer CTEC. Opened: 2008. Drive: at Whistler station. Chair parking: At Whistler and Blackholm stations.
On other lifts, I will try to get info.
And I just did!
Whistler village gondola: Rope guage: 5,000 meters. Vertical: 1,157 meters. Type: 10-passenger gondola. Ride time: 25 minutes. Manufacturer: POMA. Installed: 1988. That's it for now. I'll feed you more info later.

Other lifts at Whistler Blackholm include Creekside Gondola 644 m 6 Person Gondola 7 min. Poma 1996 Excalibur Gondola 367 m 8 Person Gondola Doppelmayr 1994 Kadenwood Gondola 925 m 228 m 8x2x2 Fixed Grip Pulse Gondola 6.1 min 160 Doppelmayr-CTEC 2010 Harmony Express 524 m High Speed Quad Poma 1994 Big Red Express 555 m High Speed Quad 15 min Doppelmayr 1997 Emerald Express 425 m High Speed Quad 7 min Doppelmayr 1997 Fitzsimmons Express 347 m High Speed Quad Doppelmayr 2000 Symphony Express 509 m High Speed Quad 8 min Doppelmayr 2006 Garbanzo Express 660 m High Speed Quad Doppelmayr 2002 Excelerator Express 509 m High Speed Quad Doppelmayr 1994 Wizard Express 565 m High Speed Quad Doppelmayr 1986 Solar Coaster Express 623 m High Speed Quad Doppelmayr 1986 Jersey Cream Express 375 m High Speed Quad Doppelmayr 1989 7th Heaven Express 588 m High Speed Quad Doppelmayr 1986 Glacier Express 599 m High Speed Quad Doppelmayr 1992 The Peak 401 m High Speed Quad Doppelmayr 1998 Crystal Chair 367 m Triple Chairlift Lift Engineering Franz's Chair 272 m Triple Chairlift Poma 1998 Catskinner 364 m Triple Chairlift Yan/Lift Engineering Olympic Chair 123 m Triple Chairlift Yan/Lift Engineering Magic Chair 94 m Triple Chairlift Yan/Lift Engineering Showcase 148 m T-bar Doppelmayr 1986 Horstman 206 m T-bar Doppelmayr 1986 Glacier Bowl 1 188 m T-bar Glacier Bowl 2 188 m T-bar Tube Park Magic Carpet Creekside Magic Carpet Yellow Brick Road Magic Carpet Merlin's Magic Carpet Expressway Magic Carpet

I assume you mean Blackcomb....

Yes, Liftmech. Also, I made a small mistake in Grand Targhee. Dreamcatcher has 25 towers, not 20. Sorry about that error.

Information on Crystal mountain, Washington.
NEW LIFT!
Name: Mount Rainier Gondola
Type: Gondola
Manufacturer: Doppelmyer CTEC
Model: 8 passenger Gondola
Vertical: 2,456 feet
Ride time: 9 minutes, 39 seconds
Towers: 13
Carriers: 24, with option to add another 11.
Cabin Interval: 53 seconds, will be reduced to 32 seconds when additional cabins are added.
Other notes: First Gondola to be installed at a ski area in Washington State.
Planned lifts
Name: Kelly's Gap Express
Type: Chairlift

Name: Bullion Basin
Type: Chairlift

Name: Quicksilver
Type: Chairlift
Model: High-speed Quad

Name: Discovery
Type: Chairlift
Model: High-speed Quad

Please update the chairlift page with the information in this post and all information in previous posts.

Those have been discussed, but thank you. The gondi was installed in the summer of 2010, so it's not exactly new (although it's not old, either).

The Hermitage Club At Haystack Mountain / Haystack Club / Haystack Mountain VT

Name: Hayfever
Manufacturer: Poma - Alpha Triple
Installed: 1985
Drive: At Bottom Station
Tensioning: At Bottom Station
Motor: 200 HP
Gearbox: Kissling
APU: Detroit Diesel 8 cylinder
Speed on Line: 450 fpm
Number of Carriers: 134


Name: Barnstormer
Manufacturer: Poma – Alpha Triple
Installed: 1985/2012 relocated
Drive: At Bottom Station
Tensioning: At Bottom Station
Motor: 300 HP
Gearbox: Kissling
APU: Detroit Diesel 8 cylinder
Speed on Line: 500 fpm
Number of Carriers: 200 Before drive relocation
Note: Drive was moved uphill 2012 on same lift line.

Name: Witches
Manufacturer: CTEC – Enterprise Triple
Installed: 1987
Drive: At Bottom Station
Tensioning: At Bottom Station
Motor: 200 HP
APU: John Deere Diesel
Number of Carriers: 84
This post has been edited by SkiLiftDude: 26 September 2012 - 07:47 PM

Hey, all! I have info. For V.2 on whistler blackholm.
WIZARD
Carriers...175
Towers....27
Length......2232 meters
Vert...........565 meters
Duration of ride...7:34
Drive...top
Tension...bottom
Manufacturer...Doppelmayr


SOLAR COASTER
Carriers...156
Towers...22
Installed...1987
Manufacturer...Doppelmayr
Length...1920 meters
Vertical...623meters
Speed...5meters/second
Capacity...2650PPH
Drive...top
Tentioning...N/A
duration of ride...6:24
Other notes...the lift has 75 percent downhill loading capacity.

I will have even more info. And possibly photos, tommorow.

I totally agree with the approach that the administrators are taking to lock down the edit capabilities to themselves. This ensures that the data can be trusted, which is not something that can be said very often with the wondrous World Wide Web. I also understand the limitations and constraints of the administrators, since there is nobody on the "payroll", just guys doing stuff after they are done with their jobs for the day. When the day comes that v2.0 is released, I'm sure it will look and function great. Re-sizing photos...ugh.

While I am not part of the industry, I would like to help out if I could with the data gathering on the lifts. As a Mechanical Engineer in the automotive and other industries, and someone who is both a perfectionist and good at collecting and analyzing data, I am currently building a master list of lifts with the most accurate data possible. My sources have been mainly this site (using the SAM Lift Construction Surveys as the master unless corrections have been noted), ski area websites/maps, and a (very) few ski areas that I have contacted directly. I have compared this data to Google Earth and Gmap-pedometer.com to ensure it makes sense (i.e. looking for typos or just incorrect info) for some areas, but have a LONG way to go. The final check would be to contact each area's staff to verify the data. Throughout the process, I can certainly document the source of the data for each lift to show its legitimacy. Even if this site doesn't need or want the info, I'm enjoying the process and learning a lot about this continent's wonderful ski areas.

The only caveat...just like the administrators, I work on this in my (little) spare time, with a full-time job and family. However, I might try to accelerate the pace if I know it might be used here.

My questions to the industry folks:

- What is the most trusted source of data - SAM Lift Construction Survey, Manufacturer records, Ski Area data, etc.?

- For those areas (e.g. much of the Midwest) where dirt has been moved around significantly and the existing US Topo maps that feed Google Earth are incorrect, do the ski areas have accurate data on the lifts?

- When ski lifts are relocated, do they do the measurements on these lifts and keep the data like the manufacturers do when new lifts are installed?

- Is this data considered protected or confidential by any ski areas (e.g. may expose overblown data from marketing, private owners not wanting to divulge anything, etc.), and do you think they will be willing to help by supplying data?

- I notice the SAM surveys have not been posted for the last few years, most likely due to the work on v2.0. Can anybody supply these, or are they now proprietary (since they are not available on the web - understandable)?

- When contacting a particular ski area, who is the person who is most likely to have access to the lift data (e.g. lift maintenance manager, etc.)?
This post has been edited by DetroitSkier: 02 February 2013 - 07:10 AM

DetroitSkier, on 02 February 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

Some stat information you might want when a page for Copper Mountain's Union Creek lift is made:

Towers: 16
Chairs: 104
Speed: 1,000 fpm
Manufacturer: Doppelmayr

Actual speed is 5.5 m/s (1082 fpm), but who's measuring :) ACS 800 drive, springs are blue, there's orange stripes on the seat cushions, and it was a great deal of fun tearing down its predecessor. Anything else?