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[Allan]

crazyskier91, on May 16 2004, 05:22 AM, said:

Allan why would it need four bulwheels?  Think of two of them as the idler wheels with the bullwheel made vertical.

I was meaning the funitel with dual haul ropes - in this picture from lift-world.info you can see two of the four bulwheels.

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[Allan]

Here's another one that used sheave assemblies instead. Pic from lift-world again.

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[crazyskier91]

Very interesting pics, I just wish I had had time for pics while I was there

[crazyskier91]

I am just curious who made the lift?

[edmontonguy]

the funitels?

[Allan]

I believe they are both Doppelmayrs.

[crazyskier91]

No ont the funitels the gondola pictured above.

[edmontonguy]

the one with latice towers is a von roll i believe

[crazyskier91]

It doesn't have the towers I am familiar with.

[floridaskier]

Where is the second funitel?

[crazyskier91]

I looked at lift world and it says it is a Habegger. I have never heard of this company, anyone remember this one?

[edmontonguy]

A number of lifts at Grouse were/are Habegger. The blueberry chair, removed peak chair, and blue tram were made by this company i believe.

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crazyskier91, on May 13 2004, 10:04 AM, said:

While in switzerland a few years ago I saw an intesting setup on a gondola outside of Grindelwald. There was one bullwheel that was vertical a side view would be (I) with the I being the Bull wheel. Two other bullwheels transfered the cable to a horizontal angle. What is the purpose of this? This is just a picture of the line, anyone know this one?

Hi,

I a noob here but found this forum on Google as I was searching for technical stuff on the Mannlichenbahn

I am building it in simulator at the moment and trying to model the wokings of the stations as best I can from the photos Ive found

The wheel arrangement I have seen both in my videos as I travelled on the gondolas, and in photos, has seemed to suggest the arrangement I have made so far. The cable enters the station and is turned down through the floor around a second wheel (perhaps it tensions the cable?) back up over the third wheel (which drives the cable?) down through the floor around wheel 4 and finally up through the floor over wheel 5 and out of the station.

This seems to match up with the various wheels I saw rotating as I travelled through the station.

If anyone knows if this is incorrect and can give more info I would be gratefull.

By the way, the simulator is Trainz by Auran and I am modelling the entire Jungfrau region.

Terry

[Aussierob]

The first picture from allan is the Gletcherjet in Kaprun, Austria (replaced the funicular that caught fire). The second photo is the Gletcherbus in Hintertux, Austria. I believe both of these have the drive and deflection bullwheels at an angle. The original Doppelmayr funitel in Solden has a vertical drive bullwheel.
Photo is of the drive/tension carriage at the bottom of Gletcherbus 3 in Austria

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[WBSKI]

Found some info about Habegger, it couldnt have done many lifts in north american, anyways it merged with Von Roll in '82.

http://www.garaventa...t/history01.htm

[Tramway Guy]

There are a couple of possibilities for using vertical Bullwheels. One is that you might not have seen the drive wheel itself. That was probably down below floor level, along with the rest of the machine room. A vertical drive wheel is nice in that you can use a gearbox with no bevel gears anywhere, which allows for much more flexibility in applying motors, brake discs, etc. And it allows for dual drive setups where the main drive is on one side and the auxiliary drive on the other; slide couplings allow disengagement of one and engaging the other; similar to a large Tramway drive. And you could double-wrap the rope to gain more traction at the drive wheel.
Some of the setups of that era used also vertical bullwheels to have tensioning in the same station, using a 'dancer' bullwheel attached to a counterweight - - this usually took place after the haul rope went through the drive wheel. All these bullwheels paid a slight penalty in rope life due to the extra bending, especially if they were close together.
I rode the Mannlichen gondola in 1983, but I do not remember seeing the machine room. The gondolas had the giavanola style grip, if I remember correctly.

[Tramway Guy]

crazyskier91, on May 19 2004, 11:15 PM, said:

I looked at lift world and it says it is a Habegger. I have never heard of this company, anyone remember this one?

Habegger was a Swiss Company that built two chairlifts at Grouse, the only two in North America. Habegger was founded by Willy Habegger in Thun, Switzerland. They built all products from T-bars to large Reversibles, if you have seen a tram with the large sway dampener tube running between the cabin and hanger, you have seen a Habegger Tram. Habegger was a fierce competitor to Von Roll and they often bid too low on many projects against each other just to get work..Willy finally bit off more than he could chew when he decided to build TBM's [Tunnel boring machines] and lost the company to the bank. The Swiss government told him to merge tje assets with Von Roll in 1982, and they were called Von Roll Habegger for 5 years.
Willy slowed down some and kept building lots and lots of excellent Tirfors [also called griphoists] for many years, and still does, I think.

[SkiLiftsRock]

What happened to the pictures?

[Allan]

SkiLiftsRock, on 11 August 2010 - 07:13 PM, said:

What happened to the pictures?

This topic is from 2004, we've had a couple forum crashes since then.

[SkiLiftsRock]

Allan, on 11 August 2010 - 08:20 PM, said:

This topic is from 2004, we've had a couple forum crashes since then.

:( bummer. . .