Haven't heard squat since our mutual owners sold us. I last hear the same info as you've got; the crew over there is more excited about getting rid of an old dead Yan (arrow) than anything else.
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New Lifts for 2011
Started by Peter, Mar 29 2010 06:46 PM
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:15 PM
Here is what I have.
While biking at Copper today, I heard some Lift Operators talking about a possible Doppelmayer 8 - Place Gondola to replace High Point (Yan double). It would follow the old lift line, but run to the heighth of the top terminal of the American Flyer. It would have a mid station, but for unloading only. This is still in the planning phase, but if completed the new lift will either be open in 2011 or 2012 skiing seasons.
While biking at Copper today, I heard some Lift Operators talking about a possible Doppelmayer 8 - Place Gondola to replace High Point (Yan double). It would follow the old lift line, but run to the heighth of the top terminal of the American Flyer. It would have a mid station, but for unloading only. This is still in the planning phase, but if completed the new lift will either be open in 2011 or 2012 skiing seasons.
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- -Poma may be the new Quad, and Doppelmayr may be the last single, but Yan will always be the superior in detachables.
If in doubt, don't fall and roll unless you're in a Von Roll.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:49 PM
Sorry, that's one for the rumour mill. When H is replaced, it will not be a gondola, but rather a detachable quad. I said when, but that's still an open time frame. We've discussed replacing O-1 with a gondi, but that was mainly a blue-sky session and not actual planning.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 08:29 PM
Doug, on 05 August 2010 - 07:57 AM, said:
Where is the new lift going at Marmot? Are they replacing the Knob?
From the conversation I was overhearing- it sounded like the school house tbar coming out... I guess they were considering it this summer, but parks approval would not come that quickly.. hopefully it will go next construction season
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Posted 07 August 2010 - 04:10 AM
boardski, on 05 August 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:
They could replace O-1 with a gondola and move current O-1 (Poma HSQ) to replace H. Has this been considered? Would H then become the lift serving Tucker Mountain?
I doubt the Flyer will be rebuilt, unless it's at a different area. We'd have too many variables involved due to its age. H has been definitely considered for the new chair 5, it would make sense as 4 and 6 are basically the same lift and vintage. Makes it easier on us for summer maintenance. No, I think from what I've heard and what we've discussed around the shop that the Flyer will either be sold wholesale or used for parts for the Eagle (unless the Eagle goes down first). I'm thinking that time frame is more in the five-to-ten year range, though. H will be the first to be upgraded, probably within the next year or two. As for 5 (Tucker)-- who knows. We have basic approvals, but nothing concrete in the way of plans.
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Posted 07 August 2010 - 02:09 PM
John the only way I could see flyer being reused would be in a low cap configuration (1200-1800pph) maybe for Alpine where the ride time is huge but the terrain utilization doesn't warrant the expense for a new lift, otherwise I agree that O-1 will become a parts stash for our hour hog (F) or sold to some nut with to much time on his hands.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 04:02 PM
Could someone please explain waht all the letter abb. mean? F? O-1? H? 5? E?
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- -Poma may be the new Quad, and Doppelmayr may be the last single, but Yan will always be the superior in detachables.
If in doubt, don't fall and roll unless you're in a Von Roll.
- -Poma may be the new Quad, and Doppelmayr may be the last single, but Yan will always be the superior in detachables.
If in doubt, don't fall and roll unless you're in a Von Roll.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 05:08 PM
stmad12, on 08 August 2010 - 04:02 PM, said:
Could someone please explain waht all the letter abb. mean? F? O-1? H? 5? E?
It goes back to when Copper's lifts were all assigned letters rather than names. It is also the way the lifts are identified on the master plan which was posted on the wall in Solitude Station several years ago. Long story short: F= American Eagle; O-1=American Flyer; H=High Point; E= Excellerator (not one of the lifts being disucussed but an existing lift and 5= Proposed lift to serve Tucker Mountain; 4= BlackJack; 6=Mountain Chief.
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Eldora has now put their new master plan up on their website (http://www.eldora.com). It's 102 pages long, but there's a really nice graphic on the second-to-last page of all the new lifts they're proposing. Basically they're proposing the following:
- 2 new carpets to replace Tenderfoot I & II handle tows.
- 4 new detachable six-packs. One will replace the Challenge FGT and Cannonball FGD, one will replace the Corona FGQ, and the two others will be new installations in the Indian Peaks and Corona area.
- 2 new fixed grip quad lifts. One will run from the base area to the saddle between the base and the Indian Peaks/Corona area to allow for beginner skiing and access to the IP/Corona area when the Challenge lift goes down on wind hold. The other will run to the top of the Challenge lift from below the Jolly Jug trail-ish.
From what I understand through word-of-mouth among employees, the Challenge/Cannonball replacement is likely to happen first, possibly next summer. Hopefully that'll end up happening!
- 2 new carpets to replace Tenderfoot I & II handle tows.
- 4 new detachable six-packs. One will replace the Challenge FGT and Cannonball FGD, one will replace the Corona FGQ, and the two others will be new installations in the Indian Peaks and Corona area.
- 2 new fixed grip quad lifts. One will run from the base area to the saddle between the base and the Indian Peaks/Corona area to allow for beginner skiing and access to the IP/Corona area when the Challenge lift goes down on wind hold. The other will run to the top of the Challenge lift from below the Jolly Jug trail-ish.
From what I understand through word-of-mouth among employees, the Challenge/Cannonball replacement is likely to happen first, possibly next summer. Hopefully that'll end up happening!
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Posted 17 August 2010 - 08:51 AM
jswim123, on 17 August 2010 - 12:21 AM, said:
Eldora has now put their new master plan up on their website (http://www.eldora.com). It's 102 pages long, but there's a really nice graphic on the second-to-last page of all the new lifts they're proposing. Basically they're proposing the following:
- 2 new carpets to replace Tenderfoot I & II handle tows.
- 4 new detachable six-packs. One will replace the Challenge FGT and Cannonball FGD, one will replace the Corona FGQ, and the two others will be new installations in the Indian Peaks and Corona area.
- 2 new fixed grip quad lifts. One will run from the base area to the saddle between the base and the Indian Peaks/Corona area to allow for beginner skiing and access to the IP/Corona area when the Challenge lift goes down on wind hold. The other will run to the top of the Challenge lift from below the Jolly Jug trail-ish.
From what I understand through word-of-mouth among employees, the Challenge/Cannonball replacement is likely to happen first, possibly next summer. Hopefully that'll end up happening!
- 2 new carpets to replace Tenderfoot I & II handle tows.
- 4 new detachable six-packs. One will replace the Challenge FGT and Cannonball FGD, one will replace the Corona FGQ, and the two others will be new installations in the Indian Peaks and Corona area.
- 2 new fixed grip quad lifts. One will run from the base area to the saddle between the base and the Indian Peaks/Corona area to allow for beginner skiing and access to the IP/Corona area when the Challenge lift goes down on wind hold. The other will run to the top of the Challenge lift from below the Jolly Jug trail-ish.
From what I understand through word-of-mouth among employees, the Challenge/Cannonball replacement is likely to happen first, possibly next summer. Hopefully that'll end up happening!
To me, it would make more sense to install two longer lifts on the backside than to install four lifts. Seems like a waste of money.
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liftmech, on 14 May 2010 - 07:31 AM, said:
Haven't heard squat since our mutual owners sold us. I last hear the same info as you've got; the crew over there is more excited about getting rid of an old dead Yan (arrow) than anything else.
What's wrong with Aarow? When I was on her a couple years back she seemed to be in fine working condition.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 01:43 PM
Sugarloaf unveils plan to double skiing terrain
By Scott Thistle, Regional Editor
Published Aug 31, 2010 1:42 pm | Last updated Aug 31, 2010 4:57 pm
CARRABASSETT VALLEY — Resort officials at Sugarloaf said Tuesday they would begin offering glade skiing on more than 600 acres of new terrain, a near doubling of the area now available for snowboard riders and skiers.
"We are finally going to Burnt Mountain," said Stephen Kircher, the president of Boyne East, and the operators of Sugarloaf.
For the most part, the plan is cost-effective way to add terrain and variety to the resort's offerings.
"It does it in a way that doesn't break the bank and it really adds value to the experience," Kircher said.
The announcement comes nearly one year after Saddleback Ski Area in nearby Dallas Plantation unveiled a 45-acre glade dubbed Casablanca.
Skiers have long bushwhacked on Burnt Mountain terrain and, for nearly the entire 59-year history of the resort, people have talked about expanding to the 3,600-foot tall humped shaped mountain that is due east of the 4,237-foot Sugarloaf.
With the additional terrain Sugarloaf would become the largest ski resort east of the Rocky Mountains, resort officials said. Currently, Killington in Vermont holds that title.
A three-phased plan at Sugarloaf would see about 200 acres of glades being made available this coming ski season, with thinning work set to start early next week, John Diller, Sugarloaf's general manager said during the 40-minute press conference at the resort's Grand Summit Hotel Tuesday
Phases two and three of the plan would see the glade thinning work expand toward the east in increments of 27o, 135, and 250 acres over a two- to three-year period, Diller said.
How long it would take to actually complete all three phases will depend on how well thinning work goes this fall and early winter, Diller said. Once work to thin the thickly forested areas on steep terrain is established, the resort will have a better sense of the pace.
The initial plan is to have about 10 woodcutters working, with more being added as needed, according to Rich "Crusher" Wilkinson, Sugarloaf's operations director.
In phase two of the plan the resort would add a snow-cat transportation to the gladed area hauling between 24 and 36 skiers and riders every 45 minutes to the top of the glade. Riders and skiers would also have a "hike-to" option and would also be able to access the glades from two of the resort's chairlifts, including the Timberline Lift, which services the summit of Sugarloaf, and the King Pine Quad which currently services the mountain's east side.
Sugarloaf also unveiled a 10-year plan for development at the resort which includes, over time, the addition of up to 500 more snow guns, increasing its current snow-making capacity from about 5,000 gallons of water per minute to 10,000 gallons per minute.
That plan also includes thinning to be done this fall on the resort's famed above-tree-line Snowfields. The thinning of brush would allow the area to be ski-able with less snow cover and would extend the season on the highest part of the mountain, Kircher said.
Also announced was a plan to replace Sugarloaf's aging Spillway Lift, a double chair that services the center portion of the iconic triangular-shaped mountain. The new lift would be a fast-moving quad chair and likely installed in the summer of 2011, Diller said. The new lift would cost an estimated $3 million, according to Diller.
Ongoing wind mitigation plans, where the ski resort installs wind-blocking fences to allow more of its chairlifts to operate in heavy winds, are also continuing, Diller said.
Maine ski industry officials and locals on hand greeted the news with a round of applause.
Lloyd Cutler, the owner of the slope-side Gepetto's Restaurant and a Carrabassett Valley selectmen, said he was pleased with Boyne's plan for a paced expansion.
"It's pretty cool," Cutler said. "And it's not like they are throwing $30 million at it all at once."
Greg Sweetser, the executive director of Ski Maine, the state's industry association, said Boyne's approach was to add value and grow demand rather than create an artificial demand.
The demand for a more remote and wild skiing experience has grown in recent years and this would help propel Sugarloaf's already strong position in that market, Sweetser said.
For Maine to be able to claim the largest ski area east of the Rocky Mountains would also be a boon for the state's tourism economy.
Both he and Kircher noted that the expansion was not being driven by real estate development. "That's not what's driving the train," Sweetser said.
While the resort has a long-term plan for real estate the present concept is to grow skier visits first, Kircher said.
"It's not on the back of real estate development that this is being done," he said.
The cost-effective approach to expansion would also allow the resort to not increase its pass or ticket prices to help cover the costs, Kircher said.
Being the biggest resort on the East Coast would, "instantly put us on every skier's 'must-do' list," said Brad Larsen, Sugarloaf's vice president of marketing and sales. "There's no question that this is a game changer."
By Scott Thistle, Regional Editor
Published Aug 31, 2010 1:42 pm | Last updated Aug 31, 2010 4:57 pm
CARRABASSETT VALLEY — Resort officials at Sugarloaf said Tuesday they would begin offering glade skiing on more than 600 acres of new terrain, a near doubling of the area now available for snowboard riders and skiers.
"We are finally going to Burnt Mountain," said Stephen Kircher, the president of Boyne East, and the operators of Sugarloaf.
For the most part, the plan is cost-effective way to add terrain and variety to the resort's offerings.
"It does it in a way that doesn't break the bank and it really adds value to the experience," Kircher said.
The announcement comes nearly one year after Saddleback Ski Area in nearby Dallas Plantation unveiled a 45-acre glade dubbed Casablanca.
Skiers have long bushwhacked on Burnt Mountain terrain and, for nearly the entire 59-year history of the resort, people have talked about expanding to the 3,600-foot tall humped shaped mountain that is due east of the 4,237-foot Sugarloaf.
With the additional terrain Sugarloaf would become the largest ski resort east of the Rocky Mountains, resort officials said. Currently, Killington in Vermont holds that title.
A three-phased plan at Sugarloaf would see about 200 acres of glades being made available this coming ski season, with thinning work set to start early next week, John Diller, Sugarloaf's general manager said during the 40-minute press conference at the resort's Grand Summit Hotel Tuesday
Phases two and three of the plan would see the glade thinning work expand toward the east in increments of 27o, 135, and 250 acres over a two- to three-year period, Diller said.
How long it would take to actually complete all three phases will depend on how well thinning work goes this fall and early winter, Diller said. Once work to thin the thickly forested areas on steep terrain is established, the resort will have a better sense of the pace.
The initial plan is to have about 10 woodcutters working, with more being added as needed, according to Rich "Crusher" Wilkinson, Sugarloaf's operations director.
In phase two of the plan the resort would add a snow-cat transportation to the gladed area hauling between 24 and 36 skiers and riders every 45 minutes to the top of the glade. Riders and skiers would also have a "hike-to" option and would also be able to access the glades from two of the resort's chairlifts, including the Timberline Lift, which services the summit of Sugarloaf, and the King Pine Quad which currently services the mountain's east side.
Sugarloaf also unveiled a 10-year plan for development at the resort which includes, over time, the addition of up to 500 more snow guns, increasing its current snow-making capacity from about 5,000 gallons of water per minute to 10,000 gallons per minute.
That plan also includes thinning to be done this fall on the resort's famed above-tree-line Snowfields. The thinning of brush would allow the area to be ski-able with less snow cover and would extend the season on the highest part of the mountain, Kircher said.
Also announced was a plan to replace Sugarloaf's aging Spillway Lift, a double chair that services the center portion of the iconic triangular-shaped mountain. The new lift would be a fast-moving quad chair and likely installed in the summer of 2011, Diller said. The new lift would cost an estimated $3 million, according to Diller.
Ongoing wind mitigation plans, where the ski resort installs wind-blocking fences to allow more of its chairlifts to operate in heavy winds, are also continuing, Diller said.
Maine ski industry officials and locals on hand greeted the news with a round of applause.
Lloyd Cutler, the owner of the slope-side Gepetto's Restaurant and a Carrabassett Valley selectmen, said he was pleased with Boyne's plan for a paced expansion.
"It's pretty cool," Cutler said. "And it's not like they are throwing $30 million at it all at once."
Greg Sweetser, the executive director of Ski Maine, the state's industry association, said Boyne's approach was to add value and grow demand rather than create an artificial demand.
The demand for a more remote and wild skiing experience has grown in recent years and this would help propel Sugarloaf's already strong position in that market, Sweetser said.
For Maine to be able to claim the largest ski area east of the Rocky Mountains would also be a boon for the state's tourism economy.
Both he and Kircher noted that the expansion was not being driven by real estate development. "That's not what's driving the train," Sweetser said.
While the resort has a long-term plan for real estate the present concept is to grow skier visits first, Kircher said.
"It's not on the back of real estate development that this is being done," he said.
The cost-effective approach to expansion would also allow the resort to not increase its pass or ticket prices to help cover the costs, Kircher said.
Being the biggest resort on the East Coast would, "instantly put us on every skier's 'must-do' list," said Brad Larsen, Sugarloaf's vice president of marketing and sales. "There's no question that this is a game changer."
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Posted 01 September 2010 - 09:28 PM
It looks like a new lift may be coming to Big Sky, MT this summer. Boyne has setup a website for help sell its Lone Moose triple chair, which was installed in 1999 and is the former Santiago lift from Keystone, CO.
http://lonemoosetriple.com
I must admit, I find it very surprising that there are no press releases about what is replacing it and even more surprising that Boyne has decided sell the lift rather than relocate it to another one if its resorts, which it typically does.
http://lonemoosetriple.com
I must admit, I find it very surprising that there are no press releases about what is replacing it and even more surprising that Boyne has decided sell the lift rather than relocate it to another one if its resorts, which it typically does.
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Posted 01 September 2010 - 09:50 PM
White Pine, Wyoming also must be upgrading (Closing seems unlikely) given that its 2 lifts are for sale.
Ad from SAM:
TWO GARAVENTA CTEC LIFTS FOR SALE
Both Fixed Grip triples, installed in 1999. One is; 4,300 ft long, 900 ft vertical, 1300 PPH, 250 HP, and has 142 qty triple Bail & basket chairs with CTEC 1-1/4" grips. The second lift is 1,200 ft long, 175 ft vertical, 1000 PPH, 50 HP and has 34 qty triple Bail & basket chairs with CTEC 1-1/4" grips. Please call 801-972-1699 or 801-230-3713.
Squaw's Newport lift is also for sale.
Ad from SAM:
TWO GARAVENTA CTEC LIFTS FOR SALE
Both Fixed Grip triples, installed in 1999. One is; 4,300 ft long, 900 ft vertical, 1300 PPH, 250 HP, and has 142 qty triple Bail & basket chairs with CTEC 1-1/4" grips. The second lift is 1,200 ft long, 175 ft vertical, 1000 PPH, 50 HP and has 34 qty triple Bail & basket chairs with CTEC 1-1/4" grips. Please call 801-972-1699 or 801-230-3713.
Squaw's Newport lift is also for sale.
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Posted 01 September 2010 - 10:20 PM
That's quite interesting about the lifts at White Pine, WY.
From the videos I've seen on YouTube, its lifts don't seem to be close to full capacity and it's also strange that they would want to replace them both.
From the videos I've seen on YouTube, its lifts don't seem to be close to full capacity and it's also strange that they would want to replace them both.
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