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#161 Aussierob

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 12:17 PM

View PostSkiBachelor, on Apr 1 2009, 10:30 PM, said:

Does anyone else think it's a big waste of money to install a HSQ that's only going to be used for two weeks and then removed when a simpler solution is to use a snowcat? Snowcats may be simpler, but they have limited uphill capacity, and there is not enough room to run them. Also the greenies would have a fit at the amount of diesel being burned. VANOC are paying a portion of the cost of the lift and Sunshine the rest. I don't know the exact split. VANOC'S piece would only be a couple of million I think (including installation)

It just grips me how people can waste money like this, especially when it's not their own, but rather tha tax payers. Well they have to move the people some how. It would be a waste if the lift wasn't used afterwards.

This also opens up a bigger can of worms when Marmot Basin is installing a L-P HSQ this summer and then installing the Doppelmayr CTEC Timing Flats HSQ a year later. My bad, it going to Sunshine and is a Doppelmayr-CTEC

Sorry for the rant, but things like this make no sense to me and if someone could explain it, that would be graet! see above

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 12:34 PM

Aussierob, it will be Uni-GS I presume?
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 04:39 PM

I have created a Google Map with all of the new lifts for this summer plotted.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&g...amp;t=h&z=4

The map shows chairlifts, gondolas, and tramways scheduled to be built in Summer 2009 in the United States and Canada. If you zoom in on a place mark, you can see the actual planned lift line.

Blue = Doppelmayr CTEC
Yellow = Leitner-Poma
Green = Used & Unknown

Please note that all lift lines are approximate.
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 05:11 PM

View PostSkier, on Apr 3 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

I have created a Google Map with all of the new lifts for this summer plotted.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&g...amp;t=h&z=4

The map shows chairlifts, gondolas, and tramways scheduled to be built in Summer 2009 in the United States and Canada. If you zoom in on a place mark, you can see the actual planned lift line.

Blue = Doppelmayr CTEC
Yellow = Leitner-Poma
Green = Used & Unknown

Please note that all lift lines are approximate.


Nice work, very cool!!! Just a note on the Gore lift. It looks like you have the proposed Gondola on your map. The triple for next year would be a much shorter lift serving the Snowbowl section with a trail getting you to Burnt Ridge lift. Maps are here....

http://www.goremountain.com/SEIS/

On Map 2 next years proposed lift is the one in the light blue section.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 06:19 PM

A snowboard summer camp has purchased a handle tow for summer use at Timberline Resort, Oregon.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/terryrichard/20..._camp_gets.html

I know it's a surface lift, but oh well.
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:57 PM

View PostSkier, on Apr 3 2009, 01:34 PM, said:

Aussierob, it will be Uni-GS I presume?

yes it will.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 09:24 AM

View PostJSteigs, on Mar 20 2009, 10:45 AM, said:

Siberia express is to be replaced soon at squaw valley. No word on if it's this summer or later or weather or not it will be a turn key or self install by squaw. I know there has been some investment in the project already, they had surveyors from Doppelmayr come out last summer.


This is one thing we'll start seeing more of: old Alpha Falcon and Falcon high speed quads get replaced. It would be a lot simpler to upgrade their motors and cadence systems and chairs, and a lot cheaper. :crying: Not to mention there are a few survivors still, such as Pioneer Express at Winter Park, Coney Glade at Snowmass, American Flyer at Copper Mountain, and the Falcon and Colorado SuperChairs at Breckenridge. Those are all Alpha Falcon or Falcon terminal equipped lifts, but they've run for almost a quarter of a century in strong condition. Must they vanish if they could last another 25 years?
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:39 PM

View PostSkier, on Apr 2 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

So is the Timing Flats high speed quad at Whistler going to be Doppelmayr CTEC or Leitner-Poma? W-B has been going with Doppelmayr CTEC recently but Sunshine Village has all Poma lifts currently. I'm a little surprised W-B wouldn't use it somewhere else on Whistler or Blackcomb after the Olympics, although maybe it is the Olympic Committee that will buy/sell it.


I imagine Sunshine got a great deal... The lift they are replacing is their last FG I think... hard to compete with a near giveaway..plus I think AB is helping with cost if I recall
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 02:00 PM

View PostLuvPow, on Apr 4 2009, 02:39 PM, said:

I imagine Sunshine got a great deal... The lift they are replacing is their last FG I think... hard to compete with a near giveaway..plus I think AB is helping with cost if I recall


But it's last fixed grip lift was the Leitner-POMA T-bar quad I believe. Will this lift be relocated or sold?

It seems that the Timing Flats HSQ would have gone to Cypress.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 02:18 PM

Right now Sunshine has the following:
1 Leitner-Poma Gondola
5 Poma High Speed Quads
2 Poma Quads
1 Mueller Double
1 Hall Triple

Strawberry is the Hall Triple, so after that is replaced they will have a gondola, 8 quads, and a Mueller double. I'm sure Strawberry will be relocated, the current lift was built in 1974 and has a new Poma hydraulic tension return terminal.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 04:35 PM

View PostDonaldMReif, on Apr 4 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

This is one thing we'll start seeing more of: old Alpha Falcon and Falcon high speed quads get replaced. It would be a lot simpler to upgrade their motors and cadence systems and chairs, and a lot cheaper. :crying: Not to mention there are a few survivors still, such as Pioneer Express at Winter Park, Coney Glade at Snowmass, American Flyer at Copper Mountain, and the Falcon and Colorado SuperChairs at Breckenridge. Those are all Alpha Falcon or Falcon terminal equipped lifts, but they've run for almost a quarter of a century in strong condition. Must they vanish if they could last another 25 years?


Donald, The Coney Glade lift will not be replaced nor upgraded anytime soon. It will run for another 15-20 years. It's only being used by the park rats... So no large loads are every on it anymore since the VX went in. American Flyer has been upgraded over the last 5-6 years. Liftmech can tell u what has been upgraded if he wants.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 04:59 PM

Jeff, have the plans to replace Big Burn with a six-pack been scrapped after Sheer Bliss went it? It makes sense since it now terminates very close to the top of Big Burn.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 05:03 PM

Far as I know there are no plans for a six pack on the Burn. The Big Burn chair may not even run for the 09-10 season based on what a few people have said in the lift operations dept. Most days they only need 1 hsq running on the burn.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 08:13 PM

This pretty much sums up Aspen Ski Co's future lift plans:

SkiCo reins in capital spending for next year
by Brent Gardner-Smith, Aspen Daily News Staff Writer
Saturday, April 4, 2009
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After spending over $120 million on new lifts, restaurants, terrain parks and ski runs since 2003, Aspen Skiing Co. is not planning on making any significant improvements to its four ski areas this summer or next.

The economy is obviously one factor in the company’s decision to cut back on spending, as mountain managers were asked this year to only request funding for projects that are absolutely necessary, but SkiCo spokesman Jeff Hanle said the relatively quiet summer of 2009 is a “natural lull” after six years of aggressive spending.

“We had no major lift projects on the schedule this year,” Hanle said. “And we haven’t had any big projects put on hold. We are just at a point where we are pretty comfortable with what we have out there.”

The company still plans on spending about $8 to $10 million this year on a variety of “back-of-house” projects that its guests may well never notice.

“The goal is not to let anything fall behind,” Hanle said of this year’s budget. “We don’t want to make sacrifices to capital spending that would be apparent to our guests or employees in any way.”

Hanle also pointed out that the first phase of a planned $18 million renovation of Little Nell hotel rooms is still scheduled to start this fall and that the year’s capital expenditure budget has not yet been finalized.

On-mountain spending by ski areas has “always been cyclical,” said Michael Berry, president of the National Ski Areas Association. “If you look at the last 10 years, the industry has spent millions and millions of dollars renovating their operating plants, including spending on snowmaking, uphill transportation systems and grooming equipment. It is no surprise that after an era when significant dollars have been spent they would now be a little more careful with capital investment.”

Berry said some ski areas on the East Coast, which had a record season due to heavy snowfall, might make last-minute spending decisions this fall on snowmaking systems, snowcats and other ski area elements that have shorter lead times than do new chairlifts.

Hanle would like to have new lifts, trails and buildings to brag about in the fall — as would all ski area PR directors — but this summer the SkiCo budget only includes projects like repairing the roof on the Bonnie’s restaurant building, installing more electronic ticketing gates and possibly building a trail bridge at the Buttermilk Mountain Ski Area.

That’s a far cry from past years.

In 2008, the company spent $25 million, including $7 million for the new Sheer Bliss lift on the Big Burn, $9 million for the Sam’s Smokehouse restaurant on Sam’s Knob, and $3 million on Sneaky’s Tavern in Base Village.

It also spent millions more in 2008 remodeling the Silver Queen gondola plaza, cutting the Canopy Cruiser trail at Aspen Highlands, and extending the Buttermilk half-pipe up to 22-feet.

(See related list of SkiCo expenditures).

In 2007, the company also spent $25 million, including $17 million on the Treehouse children’s center in Base Village. In 2006, it was $23 million. In 2005, $27 million.

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The Tiehack chairlift is at the top of the Aspen Skiing Co.’s replacement list.

And those figures do not include several million dollars a year on “recurring capital” items or the tens of millions of dollars the company has spent the last few years on employee housing projects.

Most local skiers could probably come up with a suggestion of which old lifts SkiCo could replace — the 24-year-old “Couch” on Aspen Mountain comes to mind — but SkiCo appears to be mainly focused on making improvements at the Buttermilk Ski Area in the coming years.

The company has submitted an updated mountain master plan to the Forest Service that includes a proposed new high-speed Tiehack lift, expanded snowmaking ponds, and a skier/rider bridge to separate beginners from terrain park users.

A replacement for Lift 1A on Aspen Mountain is also on the potential “to-do list, but that is now tied to the proposed Lift One Lodge project at the top of Aspen Street, which is still deep in the city’s review process.

Also on the company’s drawing board is a new Pandora’s lift that would serve the popular ski terrain between Harris’ Wall and the existing Walsh’s Area.

While that may alarm regular “side-country” skiers on Aspen Mountain, Hanle said the timing of the Pandora’s lift was “in the future, somewhere, should all things work toward its favor.”

At least one Colorado ski area has decided to postpone building a planned chairlift this summer.

Purgatory at Durango Mountain Resort has shelved plans to replace its Lift 8 because of the frozen credit markets, according to the Durango Herald. The mountain still plans on glading about 150 acres of terrain on either side of the lift, however.

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SkiCo capital spending 2003 to 2009

Summer 2009
Preliminary Budget: $8 to $10 million
Electronic ticket system elements
Bonnie’s restaurant roof repairs
Potential ski bridge at Buttermilk
Other “recurring” capital items

Summer 2008
Spent: $25 million
$7 million for Sheer Bliss lift at Snowmass
$9 million on Sam’s Smokehouse
$3 million on Sneaky’s Tavern
Gondola plaza improvements
Ajax Tavern remodel
Canopy Cruiser cut
Buttermilk halfpipe expanded to 22 feet
Electronic ticketing system

Summer 2007
Spent: $25 million
$17 million on Treehouse children’s center
Elk Camp Meadows lifts and beginner area
Snowmass park and pipe moved

Summer 2006
Spent: $23 million
$13 million on Elk Camp gondola
$8 million for new Silver Queen cabins
Assay Hill lift realigned
Coney Glade terrain park improvements
Glading in Deep Temerity

Summer 2005
Spent: $27 million
Village Express six-pack at Snowmass
SkyCab/Skittles lift in Snowmass
Deep Temerity Lift at Highlands
Silver Queen infrastructure upgrade

Summer 2004
Spent: $10 million
West Buttermilk lift
Lift 6 (FIS) lift on Aspen Mountain

Summer 2003
Spent: $10 million
Campground lift renovation
Enlarged Sundeck restaurant
Highlands patrol HQ
Buttermilk terrain park improvements
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 07:35 AM

While a contract hasn't been signed yet, we are still on track to replace the Badger Lift at Badger Pass.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 09:28 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
crossing my fingers for that one!

how's the doppleyantec workin' out
for yous guys?

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 09:48 AM

We've worked through a couple of bugs and idiosynchrosies with it, that's for sure. It being our first new lift in 22 years, we've learned a lot.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 02:42 PM

Found this on coloradoskihistory.com. A new triple lift for Red River.

NEW Chairlift

The Red River Ski Area is moving forward. We have signed the contract with Dopplemayr CTEC for a “Fixed Grip Triple” chair to replace the Red Chair. We will begin the process of taking down the Red Chair as soon as Mid-April or May. A press release will be sent out this afternoon with more information. Thank you for a great season! Don’t forget, we are still open through March 29th, so you still have a chance to let the Red Chair give you a “Lift” for the last time!
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 03:53 PM

View Postskierdude9450, on Apr 5 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

Found this on coloradoskihistory.com. A new triple lift for Red River.

NEW Chairlift

The Red River Ski Area is moving forward. We have signed the contract with Dopplemayr CTEC for a “Fixed Grip Triple” chair to replace the Red Chair. We will begin the process of taking down the Red Chair as soon as Mid-April or May. A press release will be sent out this afternoon with more information. Thank you for a great season! Don’t forget, we are still open through March 29th, so you still have a chance to let the Red Chair give you a “Lift” for the last time!


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Posted 05 April 2009 - 06:20 PM

View PostKicking Horse, on Apr 4 2009, 06:35 PM, said:

Donald, The Coney Glade lift will not be replaced nor upgraded anytime soon. It will run for another 15-20 years. It's only being used by the park rats... So no large loads are ever on it anymore since the Village Express went in. American Flyer has been upgraded over the last 5-6 years. Liftmech can tell u what has been upgraded if he wants.



This makes sense because there are only really three or four runs that Coney Glade laps, yet for some reason everyone takes the Village Express to do these. The three I know of are:

1. Banzi Monkshood
2. Cabin
3. Blue Grouse
4. Velvet Falls? (unless that one doesn't have an easy Coney Glade return)
5. Trestle-Green Cabin loop
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