I have a question about a chairlift's controls. First off, what are the common buttons on a high speed chairlift's pushbutton station? Also, what does it do when pushed.(if it isn't obvious such as start, slow, fast etc.)
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Started by Lift Kid, Sep 09 2006 09:30 AM
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Posted 09 September 2006 - 10:00 AM
On our Garaventa CTEC detachable chairlifts we have
Reset- Resets some alarms, resets a stop at your station including the stop gate
Master Reset- Resets all alarms, resets faults that can be reset (tower RPD and circuit #2 faults can't be reset until the tower has been adjusted or the affected brittle bar has been replaced) Master resets are located at the operator console inside the shack next to the panelview so you have to look at your stop before you reset it.
Start located at drive station on our lifts.
Start Acknowledge located at return terminal, this button must be pressed by the return op before the drive operator can start the lift.
FastOnly located at drive terminals on our lifts.
MediumLocated at both terminals.
Slow Located at both terminals.
Chair Position Will use pulses to "mark" a chair. The lift's PLC will calculate how many pulses it will take for the marked carrier to reach either terminal and sound an alarm a couple chairs out to alert the operator that the marked carrier may need a slow etc. The alarm is turned off by hitting reset.
StopIssues a normal stop.
Emergency Stop In the case of a normal stop not stopping a lift, the emergency stop should be used...the emergency stop does not stop the lift faster than a normal stop, in fact it takes longer for the lift to stop because an emergency stop kills the drive so there is no regenerative braking.
Ring Sorry I forgot this one...we use one ring to tell the operator at the other end to pick up the line phone and talk. Two rings means start the lift, or speed it up.
Hope that's what you were looking for
Reset- Resets some alarms, resets a stop at your station including the stop gate
Master Reset- Resets all alarms, resets faults that can be reset (tower RPD and circuit #2 faults can't be reset until the tower has been adjusted or the affected brittle bar has been replaced) Master resets are located at the operator console inside the shack next to the panelview so you have to look at your stop before you reset it.
Start located at drive station on our lifts.
Start Acknowledge located at return terminal, this button must be pressed by the return op before the drive operator can start the lift.
FastOnly located at drive terminals on our lifts.
MediumLocated at both terminals.
Slow Located at both terminals.
Chair Position Will use pulses to "mark" a chair. The lift's PLC will calculate how many pulses it will take for the marked carrier to reach either terminal and sound an alarm a couple chairs out to alert the operator that the marked carrier may need a slow etc. The alarm is turned off by hitting reset.
StopIssues a normal stop.
Emergency Stop In the case of a normal stop not stopping a lift, the emergency stop should be used...the emergency stop does not stop the lift faster than a normal stop, in fact it takes longer for the lift to stop because an emergency stop kills the drive so there is no regenerative braking.
Ring Sorry I forgot this one...we use one ring to tell the operator at the other end to pick up the line phone and talk. Two rings means start the lift, or speed it up.
Hope that's what you were looking for
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Posted 09 September 2006 - 10:17 AM
doppelmayr hsq
ctec garaventa hsq
some riblet controls found here: http://www.colorados...irlift/fgt.html
ctec garaventa hsq
some riblet controls found here: http://www.colorados...irlift/fgt.html
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Posted 09 September 2006 - 11:08 AM
lastchair_44, on Sep 9 2006, 10:00 AM, said:
On our Garaventa CTEC detachable chairlifts we have
Reset- Resets some alarms, resets a stop at your station including the stop gate
Master Reset- Resets all alarms, resets faults that can be reset (tower RPD and circuit #2 faults can't be reset until the tower has been adjusted or the affected brittle bar has been replaced) Master resets are located at the operator console inside the shack next to the panelview so you have to look at your stop before you reset it.
Start located at drive station on our lifts.
Start Acknowledge located at return terminal, this button must be pressed by the return op before the drive operator can start the lift.
FastOnly located at drive terminals on our lifts.
MediumLocated at both terminals.
Slow Located at both terminals.
Chair Position Will use pulses to "mark" a chair. The lift's PLC will calculate how many pulses it will take for the marked carrier to reach either terminal and sound an alarm a couple chairs out to alert the operator that the marked carrier may need a slow etc. The alarm is turned off by hitting reset.
StopIssues a normal stop.
Emergency Stop In the case of a normal stop not stopping a lift, the emergency stop should be used...the emergency stop does not stop the lift faster than a normal stop, in fact it takes longer for the lift to stop because an emergency stop kills the drive so there is no regenerative braking.
Ring Sorry I forgot this one...we use one ring to tell the operator at the other end to pick up the line phone and talk. Two rings means start the lift, or speed it up.
Hope that's what you were looking for
Reset- Resets some alarms, resets a stop at your station including the stop gate
Master Reset- Resets all alarms, resets faults that can be reset (tower RPD and circuit #2 faults can't be reset until the tower has been adjusted or the affected brittle bar has been replaced) Master resets are located at the operator console inside the shack next to the panelview so you have to look at your stop before you reset it.
Start located at drive station on our lifts.
Start Acknowledge located at return terminal, this button must be pressed by the return op before the drive operator can start the lift.
FastOnly located at drive terminals on our lifts.
MediumLocated at both terminals.
Slow Located at both terminals.
Chair Position Will use pulses to "mark" a chair. The lift's PLC will calculate how many pulses it will take for the marked carrier to reach either terminal and sound an alarm a couple chairs out to alert the operator that the marked carrier may need a slow etc. The alarm is turned off by hitting reset.
StopIssues a normal stop.
Emergency Stop In the case of a normal stop not stopping a lift, the emergency stop should be used...the emergency stop does not stop the lift faster than a normal stop, in fact it takes longer for the lift to stop because an emergency stop kills the drive so there is no regenerative braking.
Ring Sorry I forgot this one...we use one ring to tell the operator at the other end to pick up the line phone and talk. Two rings means start the lift, or speed it up.
Hope that's what you were looking for
First off, thanks so much for the info. Secondly, the chair position button I have only seen on Garaventa CTEC chairlifts. What does a Doppelmayr chairlift have and how about a POMA chairlift? Thirdly, do Dopps and POMA's have start achknowledge buttons? Lastly, does anyone have pictures of a some-what recent pushbutton station from a POMA HS lift?
Thanks so much!
Edit: I have seen lighted buttons on POMA HS lifts that have override on the label. The buttons are usualy orange or blue if not both. Does anybody know what these buttons are and what the do? Thanks
This post has been edited by Lift Kid: 09 September 2006 - 11:14 AM
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Posted 09 September 2006 - 01:19 PM
so you want to know what all the buttons and switches are? Lemme get you some pictures sometime next week and i'll explain the others. New Doppelmayr CTEC lifts have chair position buttons as well.
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Posted 09 September 2006 - 03:38 PM
Lift Kid, on Sep 9 2006, 03:34 PM, said:
Thanks a lot, I would appreciate the pics! Anyone else can keep posting too.
I can get some pics of a dopp/yan control panel, if you want. Im not sure how much is yan and how much dopp, but this is what sun valley uses.
START- same as ctec but its phrased as a start and not a start ackknowledgement.(the bottom terminal must push their start before the top can start)
SLOW- If you press it once our lifts slow down to slow speed (ctec calls it a medium speed). then if you push again then it goes to start speed (or what ctec calls a slow speed).
FAST- The bottom terminal must push their fast button either once or twice depending on the current speed. which allows the top guy to speed up the lift by pushing his fast buttons once or twice. The top guy's fast button is disabled until the bottom pushes his.
RING- just like the ctec but our resort uses it a little different. two beeps to speed up. one long to pick up the phone. and if the lift is stopped we must call and explain why it stopped so the top guy can write it into the log book.
MARK- same as a "chair position" button used by ctec but we call it the "mark" button
STOP- normal stop
E STOP- on our lifts we set it so it slows the lift twice as fast as a normal stop. we must have a lift mechanic reset the system after one has been pushed.
RESET- It resets the fault that has stopped the lift and an e stop.
JAN- this is unique to sun valley. the jan button is named after a former lift mechanic. when we push it in and hold it, it bypasses all faults!!! its very dangerous and we hide it for good reason from liftys. We dont use it with public on the lift for your safety. We use it when we use the work chair on the lift which can cause multiple faults due to spacing (the work chair travels slower than regular chairs in the terminal)
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Posted 10 September 2006 - 09:01 PM
I see you didn't get the joke. These are Yan HSQ's, and Quicksilver @ Whistler was a Yan HSQ, and it failed because Yan bypassed the faults.
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Posted 11 September 2006 - 05:00 AM
skierdude9450, on Sep 10 2006, 11:01 PM, said:
I see you didn't get the joke. These are Yan HSQ's, and Quicksilver @ Whistler was a Yan HSQ, and it failed because Yan bypassed the faults.
If that was a joke it wasn't funny. The Quicksilver accident had many factors, and Yan bypassing faults wasn't one of them.
Lift Kid- why so interested in what the buttons on a lift panel do?
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Posted 11 September 2006 - 10:16 AM
Here's photos of our POMA HSQ controls. This is a 1998, bottom drive, HSDQ. I have labeled the photograph so that it's easier to see what buttons are what.
Controls as listed:
Fast Button: Speeds the lift up from the preset slow speed.
Slow Button: Slows the lift down from the preset fast speed.
Start Button: Starts the lift after reset has been completed. This button has to pressed and held until the lift starts moving.
Reset Button: Resets all safeties at drive and limited safeties at the return (i.e. Normal Stop, Safety Gate, Emergency Stop, tower faults). Once pushed the green light that is the button has to be on solid before the Start or Fast buttons will respond.
Normal Stop Button: Initiates a Normal Stop. This is used in 99% of all stopping procedures, and it often times stops the lift faster than the E-Stop. Button must be pulled out before lift will reset.
Hydraulic Brake Pump: Pumps off the bullwheel brakes that are activated when an E-Stop has been pushed or an Emergency stop has resulted from a fault that causes such a stop. Button will light up solid when brakes have been activated, will blink while brakes are being pumped off by pressing and holding this button, and light will go out once brakes have pumped off completely (signifying that the operator can let go of the button).
Chair Mark Button: Button is used to mark a certain chair for slow or stop when it reaches the return terminal from the drive or vice versa when the chair leaves the return and reaches the drive terminal. Lighted button will start off solid until chair leaves terminal and then blink until chair is within 2 chair lengths of return terminal, where it will then go out.
Signal Button: Produces a high-pitched, easily heard noise when pressed. This is used in different ways at different ski areas. Here at Mt. Sunapee we use this button as a primary mode of communication between the top and bottom terminals. Two Beeps = All Clear + Start or All Clear + Speed Up. One long beep = get off the shack phone, or call on sound power phone. Three beeps (which is only used on this shown lift) signifys to start flipping chairs, which 90% is done from the top.
Emergency Stop Button: Pressed when the Normal Stop Button does not respond. This button activates the bullwheel brakes on the drive bullwheel by clamping down directly on the bullwheel flange itself. This button is seldom used except during morning tests (to be sure that it is working).
Wind Indicators: Shows the wind speed and direction at two wind stations. One located on tower 19 and the other on tower 22, outside the return terminal.
PCI Fault Indicator Panel: "The Panel" shows all fault codes (a number and a brief description of the fault) on a backlite 2 line panel. While lift is running this panel shows the computer's time and the lift speed in feet per minute. This is a shortcut to looking at the more detailed computer screen located on the computer on the cabinet behind where this photo is taken from.
Drive Safeties Bypass Light and Key: Turning this key will bypass all safeties in the driver terminal for the duration of time that the key is held in the "Bypass" position. The red light above it will be on whenever this key is turned.
Drive Zones Bypass Light and Key: Turning this key will bypass all arrival and departure zone safeties in the drive terminal for the duration of time that the key is held in the "Bypass" position. The red light above it will be on whenever this key is turned.
Auxillary Fuel Full Light: I really don't know what this thing is for. I've never seen it on, and if anyone out there can fill me in on it's purpose I'm all ears!
Here's a photo of the cabinent behind where the above picture was taken. The computer runs on Windows 95 and monitors all faults and systems, the two wind stations, and keeps detail records of each. It also is where we do the zone tests and make adjustments in the lift's speed and safeties.
Controls as listed:
Fast Button: Speeds the lift up from the preset slow speed.
Slow Button: Slows the lift down from the preset fast speed.
Start Button: Starts the lift after reset has been completed. This button has to pressed and held until the lift starts moving.
Reset Button: Resets all safeties at drive and limited safeties at the return (i.e. Normal Stop, Safety Gate, Emergency Stop, tower faults). Once pushed the green light that is the button has to be on solid before the Start or Fast buttons will respond.
Normal Stop Button: Initiates a Normal Stop. This is used in 99% of all stopping procedures, and it often times stops the lift faster than the E-Stop. Button must be pulled out before lift will reset.
Hydraulic Brake Pump: Pumps off the bullwheel brakes that are activated when an E-Stop has been pushed or an Emergency stop has resulted from a fault that causes such a stop. Button will light up solid when brakes have been activated, will blink while brakes are being pumped off by pressing and holding this button, and light will go out once brakes have pumped off completely (signifying that the operator can let go of the button).
Chair Mark Button: Button is used to mark a certain chair for slow or stop when it reaches the return terminal from the drive or vice versa when the chair leaves the return and reaches the drive terminal. Lighted button will start off solid until chair leaves terminal and then blink until chair is within 2 chair lengths of return terminal, where it will then go out.
Signal Button: Produces a high-pitched, easily heard noise when pressed. This is used in different ways at different ski areas. Here at Mt. Sunapee we use this button as a primary mode of communication between the top and bottom terminals. Two Beeps = All Clear + Start or All Clear + Speed Up. One long beep = get off the shack phone, or call on sound power phone. Three beeps (which is only used on this shown lift) signifys to start flipping chairs, which 90% is done from the top.
Emergency Stop Button: Pressed when the Normal Stop Button does not respond. This button activates the bullwheel brakes on the drive bullwheel by clamping down directly on the bullwheel flange itself. This button is seldom used except during morning tests (to be sure that it is working).
Wind Indicators: Shows the wind speed and direction at two wind stations. One located on tower 19 and the other on tower 22, outside the return terminal.
PCI Fault Indicator Panel: "The Panel" shows all fault codes (a number and a brief description of the fault) on a backlite 2 line panel. While lift is running this panel shows the computer's time and the lift speed in feet per minute. This is a shortcut to looking at the more detailed computer screen located on the computer on the cabinet behind where this photo is taken from.
Drive Safeties Bypass Light and Key: Turning this key will bypass all safeties in the driver terminal for the duration of time that the key is held in the "Bypass" position. The red light above it will be on whenever this key is turned.
Drive Zones Bypass Light and Key: Turning this key will bypass all arrival and departure zone safeties in the drive terminal for the duration of time that the key is held in the "Bypass" position. The red light above it will be on whenever this key is turned.
Auxillary Fuel Full Light: I really don't know what this thing is for. I've never seen it on, and if anyone out there can fill me in on it's purpose I'm all ears!
Here's a photo of the cabinent behind where the above picture was taken. The computer runs on Windows 95 and monitors all faults and systems, the two wind stations, and keeps detail records of each. It also is where we do the zone tests and make adjustments in the lift's speed and safeties.
Chairlift n. A transportation system found at most ski areas in which a series of chairs suspended from a cable rapidly conveys anywhere from one to eight skiers from the front of one line to the back of another.
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Posted 11 September 2006 - 06:07 PM
liftmech, on Sep 11 2006, 07:00 AM, said:
If that was a joke it wasn't funny. The Quicksilver accident had many factors, and Yan bypassing faults wasn't one of them.
Lift Kid- why so interested in what the buttons on a lift panel do?
Lift Kid- why so interested in what the buttons on a lift panel do?
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liftmech, on Sep 11 2006, 05:00 AM, said:
If that was a joke it wasn't funny. The Quicksilver accident had many factors, and Yan bypassing faults wasn't one of them.
Lift Kid- why so interested in what the buttons on a lift panel do?
Lift Kid- why so interested in what the buttons on a lift panel do?
Well, I just am interested because I like learning about the functions of a lift.
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"Well, I just am interested because I like learning about the functions of a lift."
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Ok. I am going to bring this one back up to the top. I have some questions about some controls. I have been working on my website's page all about controls and their functions. Link: http://www.chairlift...t_controls.html
These buttons/switches/indicators are located on a Garaventa CTEC gondola on the master controls and drive panel. Also, some are located in the drive operator shack. I would like to know if anyone knows, or thinks they know what these do. Thanks in advance.
Buttons:
-Grip Force Temporary Bypass
-Start Inhibit Bypass
-Fiber Optics Test
-Service Stop LSS1
-Normal Stop LNS2 (what does the LNS2 mean?)
Switches: (selections separated by comma)
-Tower Circuit (1, Both, 2)
-Master Reset (Normal, Test)
-Towers (On, Off)
-Fast, Freight
Thanks so much once again to anyone who can help! I really appreciate it.
These buttons/switches/indicators are located on a Garaventa CTEC gondola on the master controls and drive panel. Also, some are located in the drive operator shack. I would like to know if anyone knows, or thinks they know what these do. Thanks in advance.
Buttons:
-Grip Force Temporary Bypass
-Start Inhibit Bypass
-Fiber Optics Test
-Service Stop LSS1
-Normal Stop LNS2 (what does the LNS2 mean?)
Switches: (selections separated by comma)
-Tower Circuit (1, Both, 2)
-Master Reset (Normal, Test)
-Towers (On, Off)
-Fast, Freight
Thanks so much once again to anyone who can help! I really appreciate it.
This post has been edited by Lift Kid: 13 August 2007 - 04:57 PM
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Lift Kid, on Aug 13 2007, 08:10 PM, said:
Ok. I am going to bring this one back up to the top. I have some questions about some controls. I have been working on my website's page all about controls and their functions. Link: http://www.chairlift...t_controls.html
These buttons/switches/indicators are located on a Garaventa CTEC gondola on the master controls and drive panel. Also, some are located in the drive operator shack. I would like to know if anyone knows, or thinks they know what these do. Thanks in advance.
Buttons:
-Grip Force Temporary Bypass
-Start Inhibit Bypass
-Fiber Optics Test
-E-stop LSS1 (what does the LSS1 mean?)
-Normal Stop LNS2 (what does the LNS2 mean?)
Switches: (selections separated by comma)
-Tower Circuit (1, Both, 2)
-Master Reset (Normal, Test)
-Towers (On, Off)
-Fast, Freight
Thanks so much once again to anyone who can help! I really appreciate it.
These buttons/switches/indicators are located on a Garaventa CTEC gondola on the master controls and drive panel. Also, some are located in the drive operator shack. I would like to know if anyone knows, or thinks they know what these do. Thanks in advance.
Buttons:
-Grip Force Temporary Bypass
-Start Inhibit Bypass
-Fiber Optics Test
-E-stop LSS1 (what does the LSS1 mean?)
-Normal Stop LNS2 (what does the LNS2 mean?)
Switches: (selections separated by comma)
-Tower Circuit (1, Both, 2)
-Master Reset (Normal, Test)
-Towers (On, Off)
-Fast, Freight
Thanks so much once again to anyone who can help! I really appreciate it.
-Grip Force Temporary Bypass: overrides the sensor that montiors the force each grip exerts on the cable as it launches (doppelmayr) probably an evac only button
-Start Inhibit Bypass: an button to override certain warning and faults (i.e. a false anti collison fault) in order to start the lift
-Fiber Optics Test:on newer doppelmayrs the CPUs in the terminals are linked by fiberoptics, must be a test of that link
-E-stop LSS1 (what does the LSS1 mean?) LSS stands for Local Service Stop and #1 is the first switch on the service stop circuit (could be a number of things)
-Normal Stop LNS2 (what does the LNS2 mean?) LNS= Local Normal Stop (see above) Also: LES= Local Emergency Stop. RNS, RSS & RES, R= Remote. Local = drive terminal, Remote= return terminal
Switches: (selections separated by comma)
-Tower Circuit (1, Both, 2) On newer doppelmayrs 1= Rope position detectors, RPD (proximity detectors) and 2 = drop sheave brittle bar or cable catcher brittle bar (deropement switches. Older doppelmayrs: 1= drop sheave, 2=cable catcher and RPD faults will list independently (if the lift has RPDs). The "1, Both, 2" is a selector switch to select which circuits are active. You normally operate on Both and under some conditions one will be de-selected (i.e. broken brittle bar but no reropement for evacutation only or a faulty RPD [overriding the RPD will limit lift speed to 3 m/s but, at least in NH, you can continue to load skiiers])
-Master Reset (Normal, Test) I'm not sure about "Normal, Test" but on doppelmayrs the Master Reset occurs when you push and hold reset, at which time all circuits that are clear will reset. Normally pushing reset once will only clear one fault (when multiple faults exist)
-Towers (On, Off) Probably a separate power switch for just the tower circuits.
-Fast, Freight I don't know
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