uni-gs gondola at texas state fair grounds in dallas.
should open up some good skiing.
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Possible New Lifts for Summer 2007
Started by Peter, Jun 12 2006 08:58 PM
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Tin Woodsman, on Feb 9 2007, 07:44 AM, said:
It would be ridiculous to expect Summit Ventures to spend the $8-10MM necessary for a 2400' vert 4 person gondola. You'd end up overcrowding the Heaven's Gate pod badly, degenerating into a Killington-esque experience. That is antithetical to their stated approach.
Moreover, if Bravo goes down, there are already two alternatives - Valley House and Gate House. You can use either one to access the upper mountain. When VH gets extended to the base and upgraded to a triple in a couple years, that back-up capability will be even more robust.
Oh - one more thing. SB would have a VERY difficult time siting the summit terminal on top of the actual ridge up there. That's why Heaven's Gate is not at the actual summit - USFS wasn't a fan. This whole idea is a pipe dream that isn't even a good idea int he first place.
Moreover, if Bravo goes down, there are already two alternatives - Valley House and Gate House. You can use either one to access the upper mountain. When VH gets extended to the base and upgraded to a triple in a couple years, that back-up capability will be even more robust.
Oh - one more thing. SB would have a VERY difficult time siting the summit terminal on top of the actual ridge up there. That's why Heaven's Gate is not at the actual summit - USFS wasn't a fan. This whole idea is a pipe dream that isn't even a good idea int he first place.
How about replacing and realligning the Village Double chair (beginner chair) at Sugarbush with a triple or quad, is that on anyone's radar yet for summer 2007 or summer 2008? I believe its part of their Lincoln Peak base area master plan.
As for the Sugarbush gondola, I just don't see it happening. At least not for a long while, if ever, due to the cost, the NWS permitting issues and because the mtn is conscience about balancing lift capicity with trail capacity (more so than any other mtn in the east except for MRG). A gondi would make those cold days and rainy days a bunch easier though. I'd like to see the Heaven's Gate chair get a bubble to help with the winds if it wouldn't impede on it running during windy days.
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Sun Valley announced today that they plan on replacing two lifts on Dollar Mountain, Quarter Dollar and Full Dollar (an old Hall and a YAN, respectively), with HSQs this summer.
I personally think that replacing Quarter with an HSQ is overkill (even though the line can get kind of long on the peak weeks), but I heard they're planning a large slowdown to make the ride something like 2 minutes with around an 18sec chair interval.
I personally think that replacing Quarter with an HSQ is overkill (even though the line can get kind of long on the peak weeks), but I heard they're planning a large slowdown to make the ride something like 2 minutes with around an 18sec chair interval.
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Hi, bit of a lurker here. Just wanted to mention that according to their website, Lookout Pass has ordered there new "North Star" lift and it will be constructed this summer...
http://www.skilookou...m/ski/index.php
http://www.skilookou...m/ski/index.php
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2 more!
Two New Chairlifts at Schweitzer for 2007-08 Ski Season
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Sandpoint, ID - When the chairlifts close for the season in April, Idaho's Schweitzer Mountain ski and snowboard resort will begin demolition of the historic Chair One to make way for not one, but two new lifts that will increase total uphill capacity for the mountain, and ease accessibility to more low angle terrain for skiers and snowboarders.
Idaho's Schweitzer Mountain Resort has announced two new chairlifts to debut in time for the 2007-08 ski and snowboard season.
(photo: Schweitzer Mountain Resort)
The Basin Express, a high-speed detachable quad, will begin adjacent to the Mill Building in the base area and below the current Chair One loading station, eliminating the hike to that chair. The lift will travel 3,700 linear feet and will top off above, and to the north of, the current midway station just below the runout of The Face.
Lakeview Triple, a fixed grip triple chair, will provide access to the mostly expert terrain in the South Bowl. It will load just above the current tower 11 on Chair One and the top station will be located just north of the current unload station of Chair One.
Ride times will decrease with the new lifts, allowing skiers and snowboarders more time on the slopes and less time in line. It currently takes seven minutes to reach the midway unload point on Chair One. The Basin Express will deliver skiers and riders above this location in just 3.7 minutes. The Lakeview Triple will provide a four and a half-minute ride to the summit.
The Basin Express provides vastly improved access to low-angle intermediate terrain such as Midway Run and to the freestyle terrain park. “These new lifts carry out our mission to further Schweitzer as an active family resort,” said Schweitzer CEO and president Tom Chasse. “It relieves the traffic pressure on the Great Escape Quad and provides more options for family skiing and those progressing from the beginner terrain on Musical Chairs.”
Overall, at full build-out, the two lifts will increase the resort’s total uphill capacity by 28 percent, from 9,267 people per hour to 12,807 people per hour with a total of seven chairlifts and three surface lifts.
The two lifts reflect a $6 million dollar capital expenditure. THis summer, Schweitzer will invest another $2 million in its utilities to accommodate the expansion and future growth, and an additional $2 million in grooming and snowmaking equipment, improvements to the Lakeview Lodge, and other chairlift upgrades. This is the largest single-year on-mountain expansion the resort has executed in its history.
Demolition of Chair One will begin in April 2007. The targeted completion date is by opening day for the 2007-08 ski season.
Two New Chairlifts at Schweitzer for 2007-08 Ski Season
News - Resorts
Sandpoint, ID - When the chairlifts close for the season in April, Idaho's Schweitzer Mountain ski and snowboard resort will begin demolition of the historic Chair One to make way for not one, but two new lifts that will increase total uphill capacity for the mountain, and ease accessibility to more low angle terrain for skiers and snowboarders.
Idaho's Schweitzer Mountain Resort has announced two new chairlifts to debut in time for the 2007-08 ski and snowboard season.
(photo: Schweitzer Mountain Resort)
The Basin Express, a high-speed detachable quad, will begin adjacent to the Mill Building in the base area and below the current Chair One loading station, eliminating the hike to that chair. The lift will travel 3,700 linear feet and will top off above, and to the north of, the current midway station just below the runout of The Face.
Lakeview Triple, a fixed grip triple chair, will provide access to the mostly expert terrain in the South Bowl. It will load just above the current tower 11 on Chair One and the top station will be located just north of the current unload station of Chair One.
Ride times will decrease with the new lifts, allowing skiers and snowboarders more time on the slopes and less time in line. It currently takes seven minutes to reach the midway unload point on Chair One. The Basin Express will deliver skiers and riders above this location in just 3.7 minutes. The Lakeview Triple will provide a four and a half-minute ride to the summit.
The Basin Express provides vastly improved access to low-angle intermediate terrain such as Midway Run and to the freestyle terrain park. “These new lifts carry out our mission to further Schweitzer as an active family resort,” said Schweitzer CEO and president Tom Chasse. “It relieves the traffic pressure on the Great Escape Quad and provides more options for family skiing and those progressing from the beginner terrain on Musical Chairs.”
Overall, at full build-out, the two lifts will increase the resort’s total uphill capacity by 28 percent, from 9,267 people per hour to 12,807 people per hour with a total of seven chairlifts and three surface lifts.
The two lifts reflect a $6 million dollar capital expenditure. THis summer, Schweitzer will invest another $2 million in its utilities to accommodate the expansion and future growth, and an additional $2 million in grooming and snowmaking equipment, improvements to the Lakeview Lodge, and other chairlift upgrades. This is the largest single-year on-mountain expansion the resort has executed in its history.
Demolition of Chair One will begin in April 2007. The targeted completion date is by opening day for the 2007-08 ski season.
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Posted 15 February 2007 - 05:58 PM
It looks like the Basin Express will be a Doppelmayr CTEC Uni-GS High Speed Quad and the Lakeview Triple will be a Doppelmayr CTEC Uni-Star Triple.
http://www.schweitze...main.php?id=190
Lots of lifts!
1 Arapahoe Basin, Colorado Leitner-Poma Quad Montezuma Bowl
2 Big Mountain, Montana Used High Speed Quad Swift Creek Express
3 Big Mountain, Montana DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Glacier Chaser Express
4 Brian Head, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Chair 1
5 Brian Head, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Chair 8
6 Bridger Bowl, Montana Used Double Slushman's
7 Burke Mountain, Vermont Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Willoughby Express
8 Crystal Mountain, Washington DoppelmayrCTEC Double Northway
9 Cypress Mountain, British Columbia Used Quad Olympic Chair
10 Cypress Mountain, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Sunrise Express
11 Deer Valley, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad
12 Eclipse Snow Park, Colorado Used Triple Lift
13 Holiday Valley, New York DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Spruce Lake
14 Lookout Pass, Idaho Used Double Northstar
15 Loon Mountain, New Hampshire DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Lincoln Express
16 Loon Mountain, New Hampshire DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Tote Road
17 Mad River Glen, Vermont DoppelmayrCTEC Single Single Chair
18 Magic Mountain, Vermont Used Quad Beginner
19 Mammoth Mountain, California DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Chair 9 Express
20 Mammoth Mountain, California DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Chair 5 Express
21 Mount Baldy, British Columbia Leitner-Poma Quad Sugarlump
22 Mount Revelstoke, British Columbia Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Summit Express
23 Mount Revelstoke, British Columbia Leitner-Poma 8 Passenger Gondola Gondola
24 Mount St Louis Moonstone, Ontario Leitner-Poma High Speed Six
25 Red Resort, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Silverlode
26 Seven Springs, Pennsylvania DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Six Gunnar Express
27 Snowmass, Colorado Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Elk Meadows Express
28 Sun Valley, Idaho DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Quarter Dollar
29 Sun Valley, Idaho DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Half Dollar
30 Timberline, Oregon DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Hydro Express
31 Vail, Colorado Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Lionshead Express
32 Whistler Blackcomb, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC Pulse Gondola Kadenwood
33 Whistler Blackcomb, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Cabriolet Timing Flats
34 Winter Park, Colorado Leitner-Poma High Speed Six Timberline Express
35 Wolf Mountain, Utah Used Triple
36 Schweitzer, Idaho DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Basin Express
37 Schweitzer, Idaho DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Lakeview
http://www.schweitze...main.php?id=190
Lots of lifts!
1 Arapahoe Basin, Colorado Leitner-Poma Quad Montezuma Bowl
2 Big Mountain, Montana Used High Speed Quad Swift Creek Express
3 Big Mountain, Montana DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Glacier Chaser Express
4 Brian Head, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Chair 1
5 Brian Head, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Chair 8
6 Bridger Bowl, Montana Used Double Slushman's
7 Burke Mountain, Vermont Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Willoughby Express
8 Crystal Mountain, Washington DoppelmayrCTEC Double Northway
9 Cypress Mountain, British Columbia Used Quad Olympic Chair
10 Cypress Mountain, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Sunrise Express
11 Deer Valley, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad
12 Eclipse Snow Park, Colorado Used Triple Lift
13 Holiday Valley, New York DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Spruce Lake
14 Lookout Pass, Idaho Used Double Northstar
15 Loon Mountain, New Hampshire DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Lincoln Express
16 Loon Mountain, New Hampshire DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Tote Road
17 Mad River Glen, Vermont DoppelmayrCTEC Single Single Chair
18 Magic Mountain, Vermont Used Quad Beginner
19 Mammoth Mountain, California DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Chair 9 Express
20 Mammoth Mountain, California DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Chair 5 Express
21 Mount Baldy, British Columbia Leitner-Poma Quad Sugarlump
22 Mount Revelstoke, British Columbia Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Summit Express
23 Mount Revelstoke, British Columbia Leitner-Poma 8 Passenger Gondola Gondola
24 Mount St Louis Moonstone, Ontario Leitner-Poma High Speed Six
25 Red Resort, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Silverlode
26 Seven Springs, Pennsylvania DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Six Gunnar Express
27 Snowmass, Colorado Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Elk Meadows Express
28 Sun Valley, Idaho DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Quarter Dollar
29 Sun Valley, Idaho DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Half Dollar
30 Timberline, Oregon DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Hydro Express
31 Vail, Colorado Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Lionshead Express
32 Whistler Blackcomb, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC Pulse Gondola Kadenwood
33 Whistler Blackcomb, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Cabriolet Timing Flats
34 Winter Park, Colorado Leitner-Poma High Speed Six Timberline Express
35 Wolf Mountain, Utah Used Triple
36 Schweitzer, Idaho DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Basin Express
37 Schweitzer, Idaho DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Lakeview
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Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:20 PM
I saw on the Kadenwood development sign near the bottom of Peak to Creek and it said that they are building the gondola for 08-09 so I am not sure what to believe..
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SkiBachelor, on Feb 15 2007, 08:04 PM, said:
It seems more logical if Schweitzer installs a high-speed quad with a mid station rather than two seperate lifts.
How is it more logical for them to do that???
Please Enlighten me!
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Doppelmayr CTEC broke ground on the Texas State Fairground's new 8 passenger gondola Last Tuesday. It will be 1800 feet long, but 73 feet high and costs $4 million.
"Although many of the projects are in the conceptual stage, some already are becoming reality. Ground was broken Tuesday on a 1,800-foot-long tram that will lift visitors 73 feet above the midway. Work will be completed in time for the fair's opening Sept. 28. "
It looks like Doppelmayr CTEC and Leitner-Poma will have another busy summer, so far I count 22 lifts for D-CTEC and 8 for L-P and it is only mid February!
"Although many of the projects are in the conceptual stage, some already are becoming reality. Ground was broken Tuesday on a 1,800-foot-long tram that will lift visitors 73 feet above the midway. Work will be completed in time for the fair's opening Sept. 28. "
It looks like Doppelmayr CTEC and Leitner-Poma will have another busy summer, so far I count 22 lifts for D-CTEC and 8 for L-P and it is only mid February!
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Compuboks, on Feb 15 2007, 01:58 PM, said:
Sun Valley announced today that they plan on replacing two lifts on Dollar Mountain, Quarter Dollar and Full Dollar (an old Hall and a YAN, respectively), with HSQs this summer.
I personally think that replacing Quarter with an HSQ is overkill (even though the line can get kind of long on the peak weeks), but I heard they're planning a large slowdown to make the ride something like 2 minutes with around an 18sec chair interval.
I personally think that replacing Quarter with an HSQ is overkill (even though the line can get kind of long on the peak weeks), but I heard they're planning a large slowdown to make the ride something like 2 minutes with around an 18sec chair interval.
Its about f***ing time earl spent some money on that hill and started listening to his employees. I heard from a snowmaker that the ride on quarter will only be 38 seconds, not 2 mins. And before i left sun valley I was told they wont run the new hsqs at a "high" speed. They will slow the lifts to 400 to 500 fpm on the line.
Then the talk about moving the tube park is very good to hear, considering that employees have always suggested that the tube hill go over by half dollar ever since the tube park opened, 3 or 4 years ago. Its about time Wally and Earl!!!!!
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Posted 16 February 2007 - 04:48 AM
SVmech17, on Feb 16 2007, 01:13 AM, said:
Its about f***ing time earl spent some money on that hill and started listening to his employees. I heard from a snowmaker that the ride on quarter will only be 38 seconds, not 2 mins. And before i left sun valley I was told they wont run the new hsqs at a "high" speed. They will slow the lifts to 400 to 500 fpm on the line.
Then the talk about moving the tube park is very good to hear, considering that employees have always suggested that the tube hill go over by half dollar ever since the tube park opened, 3 or 4 years ago. Its about time Wally and Earl!!!!!
Then the talk about moving the tube park is very good to hear, considering that employees have always suggested that the tube hill go over by half dollar ever since the tube park opened, 3 or 4 years ago. Its about time Wally and Earl!!!!!
What is the point????? You could just build a FGQ and run it at 400 fpm. Buying a HSQ is a rip-off for such a short amount of space.
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Lift Kid, on Feb 16 2007, 03:48 AM, said:
What is the point????? You could just build a FGQ and run it at 400 fpm. Buying a HSQ is a rip-off for such a short amount of space.
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Theres a place for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.
"You could say that a mountain is alot like a woman, once you think you know every inch of her and you're about to dip your skis into some soft, deep powder...Bam, you've got two broken legs, cracked ribs and you pay your $20 just to let her punch your lift ticket all over again"
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Posted 16 February 2007 - 09:41 AM
SVmech17, on Feb 16 2007, 12:13 AM, said:
Its about f***ing time earl spent some money on that hill and started listening to his employees. I heard from a snowmaker that the ride on quarter will only be 38 seconds, not 2 mins. And before i left sun valley I was told they wont run the new hsqs at a "high" speed. They will slow the lifts to 400 to 500 fpm on the line.
Then the talk about moving the tube park is very good to hear, considering that employees have always suggested that the tube hill go over by half dollar ever since the tube park opened, 3 or 4 years ago. Its about time Wally and Earl!!!!!
Then the talk about moving the tube park is very good to hear, considering that employees have always suggested that the tube hill go over by half dollar ever since the tube park opened, 3 or 4 years ago. Its about time Wally and Earl!!!!!
From what I recall, they were concerned about guests not getting any recovery time on Quarter (it is the mother of noob areas, after all). They wanted the ride to be at least one minute, but this could have changed (hell, it WILL change at least three times during construction and testing, I'm sure).
Then again, one of the biggest problems we had when I was working over at Dollar was kids falling asleep on that lift. The liftie at the top HATED running Quarter - Several times per day she has to stop the thing and wake up some 3-6 year old kid who got bored. She had to slow down the lift about twice per minute (until they decided to just run it on slow all the time), due to various unload problems.
The tubing park and terrain park swap is definitely a good thing, the current terrain park is too small to be useful, and the walk to the tubing hill was more than guests should have to deal with.
And all this snowmaking talk will probably make my summer interesting :x
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Posted 16 February 2007 - 03:00 PM
Polo is right, the reason they are putting a hsq is so they can say they have 9 hsqs and so the lift op wont have to slow the lift down (hopefully).
I worked over at dollar early this season and i talked to that lift op, she mentioned that her fingers got tired of going slow, 2 rings, fast, repeat. lol
Ive never heard the recovery time thing before but it sounds like sun valley, but 2 mins is the current ride time so i dont see the need for a hsq other than the easy unloading.
All in all im happy they are doing it but i am also happy i wont have to deal with the headaches of construction, i quit.
I worked over at dollar early this season and i talked to that lift op, she mentioned that her fingers got tired of going slow, 2 rings, fast, repeat. lol
Ive never heard the recovery time thing before but it sounds like sun valley, but 2 mins is the current ride time so i dont see the need for a hsq other than the easy unloading.
All in all im happy they are doing it but i am also happy i wont have to deal with the headaches of construction, i quit.
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Posted 16 February 2007 - 09:50 PM
WBSKI, on Feb 15 2007, 07:20 PM, said:
I saw on the Kadenwood development sign near the bottom of Peak to Creek and it said that they are building the gondola for 08-09 so I am not sure what to believe..
As it stands now the cabriolet and the Kadenwood lift will be done as a package this year as the cabriolet is needed for an Olympic test event next winter.
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I'm sorry if this has been posted already, but does anyone have any details on the Slushman's lift at Bridger? Vertical served? Map of the liftline? I looked around on the web a few months back, couldn't find much that was specific at the time, just approximate drawings (schematics).
thanks in advance.
thanks in advance.
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Here is the master plan
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Posted 18 February 2007 - 05:58 PM
is it a known fact that the lifts at A Basin and Vail are going to be LP? I haven't read anything official about that yet
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