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[NoPainNoJane]

The contract between the city & county of Denver w/ Intrawest stipulated that Intrawest has to make investments to the mountain for the 1st 10 years of the contract. If Intrawest/Fortress defaults, the city can back out of the deal and find someone new to manage and/or purchase the ski area.

[Warren733]

I have a few more to add:

Deep creek, ML backside lifts in the near future
Keystone, CO Ski Tip Lift HSQ
Powderhorn, CO West End FGD, FGT or FGQ
Powder Mounatin, UT Paradice Express or Timberline Express HSQ
Breckenridge, CO Peak 6 Lifts
Vail, CO Giant Steps FGD, FGT or FGQ
Jackson Hole, WY Aireial Tram
Buttermilk, CO Tiehack Exspress HSQ

This post has been edited by Warren733: 29 September 2006 - 01:36 PM

[floridaskier]

Warren733, on Sep 26 2006, 07:42 PM, said:

Deer Valley, UT Snowflake Express HSQ

Have you heard that from anyone, or is it just speculation? I think Deer Crest will go in before Snowflake is replaced with an HSQ. I hope they leave Burns, the last original lift, in for a while longer

[truckintr]

floridaskier, on Sep 27 2006, 03:54 AM, said:

Have you heard that from anyone, or is it just speculation? I think Deer Crest will go in before Snowflake is replaced with an HSQ. I hope they leave Burns, the last original lift, in for a while longer

Yes i'd be interested to in knowing Deer Valley has said if they are going to replace Snow Flake and MayFlower with hsq.
#1 Have you seen how little space there is at the bottom of the current Snow Flake for a hsq? That area know as the 'bowling' alley, the runout from Bald Eagle to the base area gets insainly crowded.
# 2 The only times this lift as well as Burns gets busy is during the holiday periods, where ski school is sold out 110% . The rest of the season, those lifts are just fine as is. I doubt DV would spend a millon dollars plus for such a project. That's not how they operate. All money spent has to be ok'd by Egar and Rodger.
#3 Snowflake and Burns does not even do 2,000 people an hr between the current configuation.

Mayflower, as i have said in the past does not get enough business to warrent a hsq. The only time its gets busy is on powder mornings, and then the crowds vanish around noon, never to return. Unless it's a epic powder day.

Deer Crest will most liky be converted first, onec the new hotel over there opens.

Maybe lift mech can ask around. ANd get the word.

This post has been edited by truckintr: 27 September 2006 - 12:20 PM

[lastchair_44]

I'll add to the fact that a detachable chairlift can scare the crap out of children. They are both perfectly good skilifts and I don't think they'll go anywhere. As for Deer Crest going detach? Wait for the year that the St. Regis opens off to skier's left of Deer Hollow.

[truckintr]

And i just remebred this.
There are alot of utilites buried , 10 feet below and 5 feet from the wait here board on the loading ramp of Snowflake. it would be a huge project to move all of them.
Burns has been a great lift for 26 years. It's like a Timex Watch, it takes a licking, keeps on ticking.
Plus at the top of widewest, there is a huge underground water tank. DV isn't about to dig that up.

[skiPhreak]

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Mayflower, as i have said in the past does not get enough business to warrent a hsq. The only time its gets busy is on powder mornings, and then the crowds vanish around noon, never to return. Unless it's a epic powder day.

I don't think Deer Valley cares about how many people actually use the lift they care about how long the ride is. Almost none of their lifts see full capacity. For example they are replaceing sterling this year and that lift was never even full to 50% of it's capacity. Mayflower is the longest FG they will probably look at replacing it to keep the ride time down. As for Burns and Snowflake it's becoming a common thing for resorts to have express lifts for the beginner areas because it is easier for beginers to load the lifts. Park City did this with First Time 2 years ago.

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[Callao]

Warren733, on Aug 9 2006, 06:46 PM, said:

Here's some Possible lifts for 2008:

(Not Guarenteed)

Park City, UT Town/Town Express Quad, HSQ, or HSS
Park City, UT Gondola HSG6 or HSG8

Really? A gondola at Park City? That would be nice to see, but where would they put it?

[floridaskier]

I hear it's gonna go from the First Time parking lot up to where the yurt is on Claimjumper. There's a thread on it somewhere

skiPhreak, on Sep 28 2006, 05:12 PM, said:

I don't think Deer Valley cares about how many people actually use the lift they care about how long the ride is. Almost none of their lifts see full capacity. For example they are replaceing sterling this year and that lift was never even full to 50% of it's capacity. Mayflower is the longest FG they will probably look at replacing it to keep the ride time down.

I still don't think Mayflower's going anywhere. I can see that Sterling wasn't really necessary from a capacity standpoint, but nobody goes over to Mayflower at all, and the people who do go over there aren't the ones who would complain about the lift ride. It isn't that long of a ride anyway, nice to slow down for a few minutes. Also, from a couple of the runs to the left of Mayflower, you can cut over to Sultan now

[lastchair_44]

What the hell??? Isn't there anyone out there that likes a nice slow ride to the top to let your legs rest? What about a beer on the way up?

[Callao]

It's amazing to me that Deer Valley seems to be able to plant HSQ's in the ground like they're nothing but daisies---don't these things cost millions of dollars? What price range do the detatchables run for, anyway?

[lastchair_44]

4 million for our last install...it varies on when you sign for the lift, how long, what kinds of things you want on it...it's like buying a car really
and yeah DV does buy detachables like they're nothing...but then again the company is worth a lot of money

[Skiing#1]

Have you riding the Burns and Snowflake Lifts at DV yet?

I think I argee with lastchair 44 about small children (age of around 3 to 5) who are skiers, the lifts are good for small children ride and the children feel comfort safely than the detachable lfits. Less scary. The children have their own concept that these lifts are "big", and for adults, the lifts are small. I remember my two children were small, we went to my friend's spa, and my children said, "Wow a nice big swimming pool!" In my mind, I laughed. Anyway, I rode Burns and Snowflake, because I was with my friend, who is a skiing beginner. Well, I rather not ride these lifts and I love to riding hq lifts.

Anyway, how height is between the ground and the chair of both Burns and Snowflake? First time, I was going to sit down, I lost my balance and I fall on the chair, because the chair is too low as around one foot. I can't believe it, but it is good benefit for small children. Most detachable lifts and fixed-grip lifts, the height is 2 1/2 feet.

DV should replace the Burns and Snowflake, like Brighton has a beginning fixed-grip lift, it is Explorer Lift, these small children and adults feel more comfort with that lift. Well, now the Burns and Snowflake look funny and might looks old.

This post has been edited by Skiing#1: 30 September 2006 - 09:27 PM

[lastchair_44]

They're mostly to accomodate our ski school clients, and some of them are only 3 yrs old I have a hard time too as the chair hits the back of my boot. But to do a line check you have to ride it so I learned to just keep standing up until the seat is at the back of my knees and then I sit down. And Snowflake really isn't that old and it just doesn't make sense to tear out 2 perfectly good lifts and replace them. They're not falling apart or anything and they run fine so I think they'll just stay where they are

[liftmech]

lastchair_44, on Sep 28 2006, 09:12 PM, said:

What the hell??? Isn't there anyone out there that likes a nice slow ride to the top to let your legs rest? What about a beer on the way up?

You said it! Plus FGs don't have near the maintenance and operational headaches that detaches have.

[Jonni]

Everybody complains about our Sun Bowl Quad (FG) at being a 10 minute ride. I personally enjoy the long ride, although I wish the chairs were more comfortable.

[Skiing#1]

I posted two pictures of Burns and Snowflake at DV, so you can see them and what they look like.

First picture is left side: Snowflake, middle: Snow Park Lodge and right side: Burns. (far left: Silver Lake Express and next right: Carpenter Express).

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[truckintr]

Callao, on Sep 28 2006, 08:24 PM, said:

It's amazing to me that Deer Valley seems to be able to plant HSQ's in the ground like they're nothing but daisies---don't these things cost millions of dollars? What price range do the detatchables run for, anyway?

At DV if DEPT.heads cant prove why they need something, then they will not buy it. The purse strings are very hard to pull open, as i was told by my former dept. manager. And with Sterling fixed grip getting older and older, it wouldn't be to long before they would have to start serching boneyards across the globe for parts. Plus now they are putting more hsq in, theier parts inventory can be geared that direction, with a few parts left for the fixded grip chairs.
DV doesnt buy as many high speed lifts say as all the Vail properties does.


As for the chair hieght on Burns and Snow flake they are with in code( regular height is 18-22 inches, less it has changed) for chair height. DV goes one step further, and lowered them to 16 in( top of seat pad to top ramp, to help make it easier for the small skier to load. Taller people who ski there know they sit lower, so as they load them, they need to do exactly what lastchair says he does.
And again, there is a huge cityowned buried water tank, the top of Widewest. DV isn't gouing to spend years in talks with the city,so they can put in hs chairs on the beginner hill.
Any ways why would a seasoned skier want to ride the beginner lifts anyways? Can't you get your ski legs back, off the bigger chairs?

lastchair_44, on Sep 28 2006, 08:26 PM, said:

4 million for our last install...it varies on when you sign for the lift, how long, what kinds of things you want on it...it's like buying a car really
and yeah DV does buy detachables like they're nothing...but then again the company is worth a lot of money

4 millon, is what ski school can bring in for a good xmas / presidents week. Then don't forget what just ticket sales brings in.

[Skiing#1]

lastchair_44, on Sep 28 2006, 10:08 PM, said:

They're mostly to accomodate our ski school clients, and some of them are only 3 yrs old I have a hard time too as the chair hits the back of my boot. But to do a line check you have to ride it so I learned to just keep standing up until the seat is at the back of my knees and then I sit down. And Snowflake really isn't that old and it just doesn't make sense to tear out 2 perfectly good lifts and replace them. They're not falling apart or anything and they run fine so I think they'll just stay where they are

lastchair and truckintr, thank you for a good advice.

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[lastchair_44]

truckintr, on Sep 30 2006, 08:32 PM, said:

4 millon, is what ski school can bring in for a good xmas / presidents week. Then don't forget what just ticket sales brings in.

Don't forget the hamburgers and turkey chili sales. F&B and central res. account for alot of DV's money.