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[SkiBachelor]

Just got the 1968 Lift Installation Survey up.

http://skilifts.org/install_na1968.htm

[WBSKI]

Silver Stars double is Yellow

Purden double is likely yellow the t-bar is just called the t-bar

It seems rather coincidental that theres another Beaver Valley Ski Club in Ontario while none are known to me in BC www.bvsc.com

That whistler mueller puzzles me...

This post has been edited by WBSKI: 30 December 2005 - 07:18 PM

[SkiBachelor]

Okay, I just got the 1966 Lift Installation Survey up:

http://skilifts.org/install_na1966.htm

Sorry for skipping 1967, but two of the pages wern't scanned that great so I'm missing a lot of lift information (capacity and speed). However, I think SAM can easily resend me the copies.

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It seems rather coincidental that theres another Beaver Valley Ski Club in Ontario while none are known to me in BC www.bvsc.com

SAM's lift installation sheet says that Beaver Valley Ski Club was located in Fruitvale.

This post has been edited by SkiBachelor: 30 December 2005 - 10:25 PM

[Lift Dinosaur]

The third 2C built by L.E. at Squaw Valley in 1968 was/is Bailey's Beach.

This post has been edited by Lift Dinosaur: 31 December 2005 - 01:54 PM

[boardski]

Regarding some unidentified Colorado lifts on the '66 & '68 survey:
The shorter Riblet double installed at Snowmass in '66 would have to be the original Sam's Knob lift. The original lower terminal was directly in front of the former upper terminal for Burlingame and it terminated the same place as the new Village Express HSS ends.
The Riblet double installed in '66 at Winter Park is definately the Looking Glass lift and is still fully operational. There is a plackard on the outer wall of the vault drive room which says "1966".
Regarding Steamboat in 1968, I think the Miner Denver chair is the original Burgess Creek lift. I wasn't aware of Poma installing any lifts back in those days but the specs on the short double chair sound as if they would fit the Headwall allignment.

[WBSKI]

That lift installed at Whistler in 66 seems to be Blue Chair although its really only a guess.

[SkiBachelor]

boardski, on Jan 1 2006, 08:52 AM, said:

Regarding Steamboat in 1968, I think the Miner Denver chair is the original Burgess Creek lift. I wasn't aware of Poma installing any lifts back in those days but the specs on the short double chair sound as if they would fit the Headwall allignment.

Thanks for the info Boardski. However, I'm having a hard time trying to place how the order of the lifts were installed. At one time, Steamboat had 3 Miner-Denver lifts, Headwall, Burgess Creek and Four Points. The two lifts installed installed in 1968 had to be Four Points and Storm Peak because if Burgess Creek was installed, there would be no access up to Storm Peak to access that lift. But the weird thing about that is that the verticals of the old Burgess Creek lift and the new one don't match at all (off by about 400 ft), yet they are about the same length. I know the original Burgess Creek lift was shortened when the Storm Peak Express was installed but that still wouldn't make the new one have more vertical when the old was originally longer. Maybe SAM goofed on the old lift installation survey back then and by that I mean the vertical. Maybe there should be a 1 in front of 535 so it would be 1535. I did just check SAM and it reads 535 instead of 1535 so this could be our little error.

Timeline:

1968
Four Points Lift, the first in the country to feature bullwheel loading and unloading, added to take skiers up to the base of Storm Peak.
The Thunderhead Restaurant at mid-mountain opens.
1969
LTV Recreational Development Inc. buys properties and begins $10 million in development of the Steamboat Village Resort.
Headwall and Burgess Creek double chairlifts installed.
White Out, Blizzard and Norther runs cut.

1970 Steamboat Trail Map:
http://www.colorados...bt_map_1970.jpg

This post has been edited by SkiBachelor: 01 January 2006 - 01:00 PM

[nathanvg]

SkiBachelor, on Jan 1 2006, 02:58 PM, said:

Thanks for the info Boardski. However, I'm having a hard time trying to place how the order of the lifts were installed. At one time, Steamboat had 3 Miner-Denver lifts, Headwall, Burgess Creek and Four Points. The two lifts installed installed in 1968 had to be Four Points and Storm Peak because if Burgess Creek was installed, there would be no access up to Storm Peak to access that lift. But the weird thing about that is that the verticals of the old Burgess Creek lift and the new one don't match at all (off by about 400 ft), yet they are about the same length. I know the original Burgess Creek lift was shortened when the Storm Peak Express was installed but that still wouldn't make the new one have more vertical when the old was originally longer. Maybe SAM goofed on the old lift installation survey back then and by that I mean the vertical. Maybe there should be a 1 in front of 535 so it would be 1535. I did just check SAM and it reads 535 instead of 1535 so this could be our little error.

Timeline:

1968
Four Points Lift, the first in the country to feature bullwheel loading and unloading, added to take skiers up to the base of Storm Peak.
The Thunderhead Restaurant at mid-mountain opens.
1969
LTV Recreational Development Inc. buys properties and begins $10 million in development of the Steamboat Village Resort.
Headwall and Burgess Creek double chairlifts installed.
White Out, Blizzard and Norther runs cut.

1970 Steamboat Trail Map:
http://www.colorados...bt_map_1970.jpg

Of help may be the terraserver topo map of steamboat. It is dated as 69. (not sure why it's date and the survey are off, 70 vs 69) It shows two base chairlifts and I think this indicates that preview (mabye southface) was installed in 68. (see details below)

It also shows the following lifts:
NAME,APPROX VERT
thunderhead, 1600
christie, 1050
BC, 950
4-points, 1250
storm peak, 600
gondola, 2200
headwall, 200

Based on this data it appears 4-points was installed in 68
The Christie and thunderhead lifts had to be installed pre 68 as they were the only way to get to 4-points.
The only lift that the 69 lift at 535 vert could be is BC. This vert must be a typo.

So I think the survey should read:

68
Steamboat 4-points 2C Miner-Denver N/A 3532 1246 1100 500
Steamboat Preview 2C Poma N/A 1130 174 750 360
69
Steamboat Headwall 2C Miner-Denver N/A 1568 210 900 400
Steamboat BC 2C Miner-Denver N/A 3572 535 1100 500
70
Steamboat Gondola Gondola (4) Bell N/A 8837 2180 1100 690
Steamboat Storm Peak Platter Heron Poma N/A 2450 658 655 748

This post has been edited by nathanvg: 01 January 2006 - 08:29 PM

[SkiBachelor]

Just finished the 1965 Lift Installation Survey right when you posted this:

http://skilifts.org/install_na1965.htm

The Thunderhead lift was installed in 1965.

Thanks for the help guys! I have made the changes to the lift installation surveys so they should be correct now.

[poloxskier]

1965 for breck is chair 2 for the heron 2C, the tbar ran a similar line to chair 5 but I dont know the name.

[SkiBachelor]

Has anyone heard of Twin Peaks Ski Area in California? I thought it was Alpine Meadows since that lift listed in the 1965 survey fits the profile for the Roundhouse Express but looking at the 1964 lift installation survey, Alpine Meadows is listed on there? Could have Alpine Meadows changed its name to Twin Peaks for one season and then back to Alpine Meadows or is this another lost California ski area?

Thanks Bryan for the info about Chair 2.

[CAski]

Well, that could be the case. Twin Peaks is located roughly halfway between Alpine Meadows and Homewood, so either area could have changed its name to that at some point. There is also an abandoned ski area at the entrance of Alpine Meadows.

[SkiBachelor]

The abandoned ski area is Deer Park and it opened in the early 80s I believe. However, another one could very well be in the area.

[skiersage]

Cameron,
It looks to me that the two graphs on the top of the 1965 sheet have a spacing problem that you might want to look at. Also the blue box that has the "about skilifts.org" stuff in it is missing.

[boardski]

nathanvg, on Jan 1 2006, 09:28 PM, said:

Of help may be the terraserver topo map of steamboat. It is dated as 69. (not sure why it's date and the survey are off, 70 vs 69) It shows two base chairlifts and I think this indicates that preview (mabye southface) was installed in 68. (see details below)

It also shows the following lifts:
NAME,APPROX VERT
thunderhead, 1600
christie, 1050
BC, 950
4-points, 1250
storm peak, 600
gondola, 2200
headwall, 200

Based on this data it appears 4-points was installed in 68
The Christie and thunderhead lifts had to be installed pre 68 as they were the only way to get to 4-points.
The only lift that the 69 lift at 535 vert could be is BC. This vert must be a typo.

So I think the survey should read:

68
Steamboat 4-points 2C Miner-Denver N/A 3532 1246 1100 500
Steamboat Preview 2C Poma N/A 1130 174 750 360
69
Steamboat Headwall 2C Miner-Denver N/A 1568 210 900 400
Steamboat BC 2C Miner-Denver N/A 3572 535 1100 500
70
Steamboat Gondola Gondola (4) Bell N/A 8837 2180 1100 690
Steamboat Storm Peak Platter Heron Poma N/A 2450 658 655 748

[liftmech]

Several clarifications in the '68 survey:
-The two Murray-Lattas at Baker were chairs 3 and 4; chair 3 is the one with 900 or so vertical.
-Keechelus (aka chair 3) wasn't built in '68. Chair 2, or Easy Gold as I think it's called now, was.

[boardski]

The current Preview lift was installed in 1984. Prior to the current Yan FGD, there was a handle tow lift which, I recall reading in one of the local history magazines, was installed in 1971. The Southface lift was installed in 1979. My second guess on the lift that I previously thought was Burgess Creek actually would have been Four Points. That makes sense. The former triple Storm Peak chair was installed in 1983 and was shortened (top terminal moved to current location) in 1992 to become the current Four Points lift. The "Summit Poma" was the Heron platter mentioned on the 1970 install sheet which ran from the top of Four Points to the top of the current Storm Peak lift. Hope this is not confusing. This leaves the question, however, which lift was the shorter lift listed on the 1968 install sheet. Was it the Headwall Platter lift??

[WBSKI]

Whistler Lifts

2C is Red

Not sure on the T-bars (One could have been where it is now and the other installed at the bottom or both at the top

Since theres no star im wondering whether the very first lift was the Valley T-bar installed in 64?

2C at Seymour is Ridge Chair

[Bill]

Misspelled Crystal and the lift mentioned is Quicksilver. :)

[skiersage]

just some fun facts:

In 1965, the hill that is reffered to as Michigan tech that has the hall t-bar is mont ripley.
also in 65 the hill that is reffered to as grayling is now called hanson hills.
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here is a picture of one of the drive terminals from one of the t-bars although it probably has been relocated. This is in the trivia section but no one answered.
in '66 it also said that there was a 2C and a poma lift at grayling but these are now gone and the current t-bar now runs the line of the double.