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[Aussierob]

liftmech, on Mar 9 2005, 07:29 AM, said:

Good place for it. It's up off the Olympic chair, correct? Last time I was up there I saw some assemblies and chair heads sticking up out of the snow.

Does your crew like the Orange chair, or are you anxious to get rid of it? I've worked on several Murray-Lattas and found them pretty reliable, and aside from changing interior sheave on the 6-rockers, easy to maintain.
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You're correct about the stuff in the snow. Haven't really spoken to the millwrights about maintenance on orange. It doesn't need much due to the tiny number of hours it gets.

[boardski]

Does anyone know if the Discovery chairlift at Winter Park is the old double 'E' lift from Copper??-- The reason I am suspecting is since Discovery was installed in '84, the same year triple 'E' was installed at Copper and there are several chairs inside "Pepperonis" at Mary Jane which are the same color as the chairs which were on the old double 'E' (who can mistake that color?)

[Kicking Horse]

I don't think so. Was the Old E lift @ copper a Heron-Poma?

[liftmech]

It's possible, but unless WP had some towers lying around I don't think so. Copper kept all the towers from double-E for triple-E. The towers on Discovery are Herons with Yan lifting frames; plus they're the later Heron design and not the one like Challenger, et cetera that were on double-E. Of course, the carriers and terminals could have come from Copper and the towers from someplace else. I wonder if Yan did the relocate on that lift?

[WBSKI]

This is a list of all the lifts i know of that were moved somewhere at Whistler-Blackcomb. If you know of others please post!

Cruiser Chair (Blackcomb) > Silverlode or Motherlode at Red Mountain

Stoker Chair (Blackcomb) > Silverlode or Motherlode at Red Mountain

#5 Chair (Blackcomb) > Magic Chair on Blackcomb and then upgraded to a triple

Olive Chair (Whistler) > Silver King at Whitewater

1st Peak Chair (Whistler) > Franz's Chair on Whistler

Valley T-bar (Whistler) one of the original lifts > T-bar 1 or 11 at Whistler????

T-bar at Fortress Mtn to 7th Heaven T-bar at Blackcomb

7th Heaven T-bar (Blackcomb) > Showcase or Horstman T-bars on Blackcomb????

Note the actual name of the T-bar is the South Side T-bar although i call it 7th Heaven so as not to confuse people.

Jersey Cream Chair (Blackcomb) > Crystal Chair at Blackcomb

These are some other lifts that I found out about while i was up at Whistler

Harmony Poma - I dont really know anything about it, info is greatly accepted

South Side T-bar - Dont know anything about

Valley T-bar - I was planning to hike the line which is visible just north of Creekside on the hwy 99.. (Line starts just above the handle tow at Creekside. I dont know anything about this lift.

Other Destroyed lifts

Check out the spreadsheet on my site

[Lift Dinosaur]

I'm not familiar with Discovery at WP, but the old "E" double was a '72 Heron with a bottom drive/tension (vault) and a fixed return. I can't remember how we "disposed" of old E, but as lift mech said, the tower tubes were reused for the triple.

[liftmech]

More relocated Copper lifts- I just found out that old F ('72 Heron double) went up to Big Sky when the Eagle was put in. Anyone know which of the two Herons up there it might be? I realise neither of them have bubbles, but apparently most of those got sold off when the lift was removed.

[Lift Dinosaur]

I believe they converted it to a triple, if that helps narrow it down.

[ceo]

Cannon has two Doppelmayr fixed-grip quads that I am told used to be the old summit quad at Sunapee (which, like Cannon, is state-owned). It looks like they split the one lift into two, with new teminals for one of them. Saw it sitting dismantled in an unused parking lot the winter before they were installed.

[carrietride]

It seems that the lift companies , DoppCtec and L-Poma, are starting to be concerned with re-locating lifts. I know Poma had to step in at Mission Ridge this year with a re-located Detach that was not running to "smooth", generally ski areas install these lifts with a contractor other than the builder of the lift.. but it still bears their name (the lift company)...so I think they feel obligated to some degree...even though they have had nothing to do with the re-installation.

[Jonni]

ceo, on Mar 8 2006, 04:43 PM, said:

Cannon has two Doppelmayr fixed-grip quads that I am told used to be the old summit quad at Sunapee (which, like Cannon, is state-owned). It looks like they split the one lift into two, with new teminals for one of them. Saw it sitting dismantled in an unused parking lot the winter before they were installed.

It was the old Summit triple chair at Sunapee. It was turned into the Eagle Cliff Chair and the Brookside Chair. Cannon Mountain - Skilifts.org

[liftmech]

carrietride, on Mar 8 2006, 03:23 PM, said:

It seems that the lift companies , DoppCtec and L-Poma, are starting to be concerned with re-locating lifts. I know Poma had to step in at Mission Ridge this year with a re-located Detach that was not running to "smooth", generally ski areas install these lifts with a contractor other than the builder of the lift.. but it still bears their name (the lift company)...so I think they feel obligated to some degree...even though they have had nothing to do with the re-installation.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but Poma at least has become more involved in routine service of lifts; perhaps this is related to the Mission Ridge issues. Who better to help out with a re-installation than the guys who built the lift in the first place? Of course, that doesn't help for those who buy used Riblets or especially Yans.

[carrietride]

liftmech, on Mar 8 2006, 06:53 PM, said:

I'm not 100% sure about this, but Poma at least has become more involved in routine service of lifts; perhaps this is related to the Mission Ridge issues. Who better to help out with a re-installation than the guys who built the lift in the first place? Of course, that doesn't help for those who buy used Riblets or especially Yans.

It's true, both lift companies are offering more service for the lifts...but that does not really factor in when you are paying a contracter to install a used lift. Where I work , the lift company is already expressing concern about us selling a lift set to be removed.. The problem is, new lifts are becoming so expensive for smaller ski areas to purchase that a used lift is sometimes their only option...

[liftmech]

...and what would be wrong with selling a lift you are removing anyway? It won't pay for the new lift, but at least you'd be getting some money out of the deal. Unless your higher-ups want to keep the lift for use elsewhere, which we've done several times in the past.

[Lift Dinosaur]

carrietride, on Mar 8 2006, 03:23 PM, said:

It seems that the lift companies , DoppCtec and L-Poma, are starting to be concerned with re-locating lifts. I know Poma had to step in at Mission Ridge this year with a re-located Detach that was not running to "smooth", generally ski areas install these lifts with a contractor other than the builder of the lift.. but it still bears their name (the lift company)...so I think they feel obligated to some degree...even though they have had nothing to do with the re-installation.

I do not think it was L-P "stepping in", more like Mission Ridge called for some service support and training to get up to speed.

This post has been edited by Lift Dinosaur: 09 March 2006 - 07:26 AM

[Lift Dinosaur]

carrietride, on Mar 8 2006, 08:55 PM, said:

It's true, both lift companies are offering more service for the lifts...but that does not really factor in when you are paying a contracter to install a used lift. Where I work , the lift company is already expressing concern about us selling a lift set to be removed.. The problem is, new lifts are becoming so expensive for smaller ski areas to purchase that a used lift is sometimes their only option...

What is the lift company's concern?
1)If you sell it to a small area, they will lose a new lift sale? 2) You may sell it to a smaller area that doesn't have any detachable experience, will have it installed by a sub-contractor, and it may turn out to be problematic like Mission Ridge?
My experience is: 1) They can't afford a new one, so the Lift Co. won't really be losing a sale. 2) If the Lift Co. is pro-active, they can generate revenue through service and training sales at the new installation as well as future spare parts sales.
$0.02

[Outback]

Lift Dinosaur, on Mar 9 2006, 07:36 AM, said:

What is the lift company's concern?
1)If you sell it to a small area, they will lose a new lift sale? 2) You may sell it to a smaller area that doesn't have any detachable experience, will have it installed by a sub-contractor, and it may turn out to be problematic like Mission Ridge?
My experience is: 1) They can't afford a new one, so the Lift Co. won't really be losing a sale. 2) If the Lift Co. is pro-active, they can generate revenue through service and training sales at the new installation as well as future spare parts sales.
$0.02

Thats worth more like 5 cents!

[carrietride]

No the lift company does not lose a sale... the point is..that a ski area buys a used lift from a ski area..the lift has been removed, they generally have someone install it that is not employed by the lift company, modifications are possibly made to the lift, maybe some re-enginering as well. So then maybe it does not work so well after the re-location, yet it still bears the lift manufacturer's name... do you see where they might have some small concerns?

[Outback]

Yes there are future liability concerns with the manufacturers when it comes to used lifts.
Hopefully the contractor is experienced in re-assembling the components and the tramway engineer is well versed in the design to meet the original manufacturers specs.
Proper loading, footing design, station and elevations are easy to achieve.
Re-building mechanical elements and rolling stock up to snuff is the grey area that doesn't always happen due to limited budgets.
My $0.02

[Lift Dinosaur]

carrietride, on Mar 9 2006, 01:43 PM, said:

No the lift company does not lose a sale... the point is..that a ski area buys a used lift from a ski area..the lift has been removed, they generally have someone install it that is not employed by the lift company, modifications are possibly made to the lift, maybe some re-enginering as well. So then maybe it does not work so well after the re-location, yet it still bears the lift manufacturer's name... do you see where they might have some small concerns?

I understand that they may be concerned about extended liability / exposure of their reputation, but your first post made it sound like more than "some small concerns".