61 replies to this topic

[Snowy Ferries]

I rode the Sea to Sky gondola earlier today. It has an interior tensioned return terminal at the bottom with no terminal skin whatsoever, however, at the top, there is standard UNI-G drive terminal.

This post has been edited by Snowy Ferries: 27 July 2014 - 10:06 PM

[NHskier13]

Skier123, on 07 September 2009 - 12:52 PM, said:

This may sound like a really stupid question, because I don't know a lot about Yan high speed quads, but I think the Grand Summit Express at Mount Snow uses a Yan bottom terminal and a Poma Challenger drive terminal. Is this correct? Or is the bottom terminal some type of Poma design?

Here's the bottom:
GrandSummitExpressBottom.jpg

And here's the top:
GrandSummitExpressTop.jpg

That Bottom Station is a Yan (at the time the picture was taken)
Nowadays, It's a poma.
Keep in mind, that bottom station had to be fitted for the TB-41 grips and possibly new bullwheel/tensioning/drives, I don't know much about Yan HSQ's either. It strikes me as odd: Poma, I don't think, carried this terminal in 2011-2012 when the bottom station was rebuilt, probably custom made to match the summit terminal.
From NESkihistory, here's the new bottom station:

Attached File(s)

•  Grand Summit Express 2014.jpg (78.62K)
  Number of downloads: 87

[vons]

NHskier13, on 25 October 2014 - 05:51 AM, said:

That Bottom Station is a Yan (at the time the picture was taken)
Nowadays, It's a poma.
Keep in mind, that bottom station had to be fitted for the TB-41 grips and possibly new bullwheel/tensioning/drives, I don't know much about Yan HSQ's either. It strikes me as odd: Poma, I don't think, carried this terminal in 2011-2012 when the bottom station was rebuilt, probably custom made to match the summit terminal.
From NESkihistory, here's the new bottom station:

All the terminals in question are all retrofitted LE terminals for Poma TB-41 grips. All that was done in 2011 was a fully inclosing skin was added vs the minimal skin it had before.

[NHskier13]

I would also assume you can't have one terminal active cadence and the other passive, but I dunno.
I know of a lift where I live where the bottom drive station is a CLD-4 while the top return is a UNI.
(Bethlehem Express @ Bretton Woods) *Photos aren't mine of course* (Computer's derping out on me)

[RibStaThiok]

I love the forest green color!

[vons]

NHskier13, on 22 November 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

I would also assume you can't have one terminal active cadence and the other passive, but I dunno.
I know of a lift where I live where the bottom drive station is a CLD-4 while the top return is a UNI.
(Bethlehem Express @ Bretton Woods) *Photos aren't mine of course* (Computer's derping out on me)

Both those terminals are the same early uni designs the bottom looks different because it houses the drive. On that model lift, at least, one station is passive spacing and the other is active. My experience was with Timberline Express at Copper which is a similar lift. BTW if active spacing was turned on at both stations on TEX bad things happened

[DonaldMReif]

The Outback Express, Peru Express and Montezuma Express have UNI terminals as well where there isn't a stack on the non-drive terminal.

This post has been edited by DonaldMReif: 23 November 2014 - 03:04 PM

[NHskier13]

Apparently, the Kancamagus (or simply "The Kanc") at Loon has a UNI-M bottom drive and carrier parking station while there is a UNI-S top return. The only difference I see between the two stations is that the bottom drive has a small stack on top while the top return does not: (and of course there must be a not as noticeable size difference)
Bottom:

Top:



Also, you could argue that the top and bottom of the gondola at loon are "different" because the top drive has a tan building covering the machinery while the bottom tension and cabin parking is exposed, but located in the base lodge. I don't know if there is any major differences between the top and bottom, but it is very interesting to see all of the moving parts working together to keep it running.

[Yooper Skier]

From what I've gathered from dealing with 90's Doppelmayr's is the UNI-M terminal is the tension terminal, at least in the HSQ application. This may have to do with the room needed to house the tension carriage and allow for travel as the rope stretches. If I recall, the bottom of The 'Kanc is both the drive and tension terminal. North Peak at Sunday River is one of the primary lifts I work on and it's a top drive/bottom tension. Top terminal is a UNI-S and bottom is a UNI-M.

[vons]

The S and M stand for terminal lengths short and medium not really different terminals just sizes of the same. The short terminals could only be a drive or idle due to their length, they had to be paired with the opposing terminal that was longer to accommodate the tensioning equipment.

[NHskier13]

Yes, I took a look at the site and I was wrong. The Kanc quad is a bottom drive and tension. I guess it is necessary to have the larger terminal because like Yooper said, there needs to be room for the drive and tension. How often is that pattern used on high speed quads that don't have the fixed grip drive station behind them?

[SuperRat]

NHskier13, on 22 November 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

I would also assume you can't have one terminal active cadence and the other passive, but I dunno.
I know of a lift where I live where the bottom drive station is a CLD-4 while the top return is a UNI.
(Bethlehem Express @ Bretton Woods) *Photos aren't mine of course* (Computer's derping out on me)

All Doppelmayr detachable quad chairs are CLD-4s, this is short hand for the carrier type, grip type and number of passengers. UNI is the enclosure name. The Bethlehem is fine spacing top, rough spacing bottom. I forget is 'passive' is fine or rough.

[liftmech]

To clarify: active spacing is the current standard, wherein the lift's PLC adjusts carrier spacing minutely every time a carrier is in the spacing zone (usually but not always the drive terminal). Passive spacing is the old chain systems. Fine spacing is Doppelspeak for the main system that's always in use; coarse (or rough) spacing is also Doppelmayr and is used when putting a whole bunch of carriers on line (or when the line spacing gets way out of whack, too much so for the fine spacer to fix).

[william b]

SuperRat, on 27 February 2015 - 04:39 AM, said:

All Doppelmayr detachable quad chairs are CLD-4s, this is short hand for the carrier type, grip type and number of passengers. UNI is the enclosure name. The Bethlehem is fine spacing top, rough spacing bottom. I forget is 'passive' is fine or rough.

That lifty at the Bethlehem needs a haircut... and he wore his pajamas to work.

wbl

[Backbowlsbilly]

What about this lift in Ischgl, Austria, the bottom terminal looks like two different things based on the windows. (Palinkopf HSQ, picture via Remontees Mechaniques)

[liftmech]

Looks like the standard late 90s Uni, modified for the parking rail/garage access.

[DonaldMReif]

The windows on the downhill side look like the windows on Hermosa Park Express at Durango. The ones on the uphill side look like the smaller ones that the Summit Express at Keystone uses.

[Peter]

DonaldMReif, on 17 March 2015 - 05:05 PM, said:

The windows on the downhill side look like the windows on Hermosa Park Express at Durango. The ones on the uphill side look like the smaller ones that the Summit Express at Keystone uses.

The larger windows were only used in North America for one year (1995)

[DonaldMReif]

I think Hermosa Park was a 1995 lift, since I believe it has the big windows.

[SuperRat]

Peter, on 17 March 2015 - 05:19 PM, said:

The larger windows were only used in North America for one year (1995)

...and 20 years later they're leaking. :(