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i know this topic is in the general discussion section, so i wanted to make a poll out of it.
This post has been edited by artfart: 06 July 2007 - 10:08 AM

I never use one unless my legs are tired, or if I'm alone on a quad. I put my board on both leg rests and enjoy the ride

i ski in the east and i dont put the bar down when im alone or with friends (cause my dads afraid of heights )
but i usually get yelled at to put the bar down, its really annoying.
This post has been edited by artfart: 07 July 2007 - 04:40 AM

In Vermont it's law to have to use your bar, so needless to say operators usually yell at people for not using them. I only use it sometimes, or if I feel like leaning on something.

Jonni, on Jul 7 2007, 02:07 PM, said:

ya and its very anoying, out west it doesnt matter, whats different here?

I normally put it down. It's become a habit riding with so many kids an an instructor, that I normally put it down myself too.

Where I go the ride is not long enough to put it down so it's almost always up.
This post has been edited by Snoqualmie guy: 07 July 2007 - 04:27 PM

living in the east, i always put it down, after this year in the Midwest and my fear of heights have slowly fading away, I don't really use it anymore.

If your car comes with a seatbelt you use it. If the chair you are riding in has a restraining bar you use it, what is the problem to much testosterone?

It's the law to use your seatbelt, not so for a safety bar at most ski areas.

chasl, on Jul 12 2007, 06:48 PM, said:

Do you plan to get hit by another chair? The only way your going to fall off of a chair 99% of the time is because you are careless, so no need for a restraining bar except for those who can't control their own actions. IMO the footrest attached to the bar is not very comfortable for snowboards either, or at least the ones I've used in the past.

hyak.net, on Jul 12 2007, 09:50 PM, said:

Exactly, so the resorts try to keep the careless ones safe to prevent lawsuits and such. I have made it a habit to (i also ski in vermont so its the law) but you can't be too careful. But if you don't want to use it, so be it.

Two Words: Natural Selection

Restraining bars are not required in the shallow end of the gene pool.

I personally believe that skiing is a sport of risk and any injury sustained while participating in it falls in the hands of the skier unless the accident could not have been prevented by the he or she. If a skier hits a patch of "unmarked ice" and collides with a tree, he should assume the risk for not taking the necessary precautions while skiing down the run.

This liability crap all started February 10, 1974 at Stratton Mountain when a kid named James Sunday hit some unmarked underbrush that caused him to fall, resulting in him being paralyzed from the waste down. Sunday's lawyer convinced the jury that the sport was perceived to be safe from all the recent marketing hype. Sunday collected 1.5 million dollars in damages from Stratton Mountain and insurance giant AIG (Owner of Stowe and only insurance provider for ski areas in North America at the time) required all Vermont ski areas to take the necessary precautions of making its resorts safer before they could be covered. As a result, many ski resorts went under because they couldn't afford to upgrade their mountains or the new insurance rates. However, the only plus of this skiing accident is that the green, blue, black trail network system was created to judge the difficulty of the run.

SkiBachelor, on Jul 15 2007, 08:51 PM, said:

but what does this have to do with the safety bar?
This post has been edited by artfart: 16 July 2007 - 03:28 PM

I said this because it's probably one of the main reasons why Vermont has the restraining bar law after AIG made it mandatory for all Vermont ski areas to implement new safety features.

Does that answer your question? Even though I added more information than I had to, I felt like some might find it quite interesting.

SkiBachelor, on Jul 16 2007, 05:29 PM, said:

yeah that does make sense now, befroe i didnt understand were that plays in but now i do.

at Alta, all lifts have no safely bars. I don't understand why Alta dont have them?
This post has been edited by Skiing#1: 17 July 2007 - 03:44 AM

It scares me when I see people riding WITHOUT the safety bar on the Summit Express at Keystone. I think someday someone will fall out when it makes an E-Stop because someone has trouble loading or unloading the lift.